Next UK Labour Leader - post Brexit

[Cream Cheese]

9 hours ago, McSpreader said:

Showing your true racist colours there Cream Puff. It's inevitably  where Nationalism takes you I'm afraid. ( That's Nationalism as opposed to Independence....Two totally different concepts btw)

Racist?

I should probably join the "British Resistance" then. See you at the next meet up.

[AUFC90]

Out of interest, do you believe Israel is as bad as Hamas or Hezbollah?

They're worse.

[Dipped Flake]

14 hours ago, McSpreader said:

Yes a good point but not a truly comparable situation.

In fairness to Israel, they are practically on a permanent war footing thanks to the antics of their wonderful neighbours.

so them putting millions of Palestinians in camps has nothing to do with it??  Them occupying foreign territory has nothing to do with it?? 

[Dipped Flake]

13 hours ago, strichener said:

Neighbours? You are having a laugh!

I wonder how you would react if your "neighbours" decided to come and live in your house, kicked you out into the street and invited their friends to build another house in your garden. In guessing that you would be a little pissed off.

true story...when I worked in Saudi I had a Palestinian friend who went back to visit his family, only to find they had been evicted from their house and a Jewish family had been moved in. 

[McSpreader]

10 hours ago, Cream Cheese said:

Racist?

I should probably join the "British Resistance" then. See you at the next meet up.

I have absolutely no doubt that you and that lot of knuckle draggers have far more in common than you care to admit x

[WhiteRoseKillie]

Ronnie D barred from voting, but Lib Dem supporter fine.

 

Which Labour Party values include funding the opposition? What a set of cúnts, trying to safeguard their own positions when the Membership clearly want change.

I've sucked up the fact that I'm not getting a vote in this affair, but to suspend the elected leader of one of our most active Unions - how in the name of fúck does Ronnie Draper not "share the aims and values of the Labour Party"? If that is indeed the case, then I would suggest it's the NEC that wants to take a long hard look at themselves. Especially McNicol. If he's got any sense he's already thumbing through his contacts for alternative employment post-conference.

[jmothecat]

Ronnie D barred from voting, but Lib Dem supporter fine.

 

Which Labour Party values include funding the opposition? What a set of cúnts, trying to safeguard their own positions when the Membership clearly want change.

I've sucked up the fact that I'm not getting a vote in this affair, but to suspend the elected leader of one of our most active Unions - how in the name of fúck does Ronnie Draper not "share the aims and values of the Labour Party"? If that is indeed the case, then I would suggest it's the NEC that wants to take a long hard look at themselves. Especially McNicol. If he's got any sense he's already thumbing through his contacts for alternative employment post-conference.

Out of interest, why don't you get a vote?

[WhiteRoseKillie]

4 minutes ago, jmothecat said:

 

 

Out of interest, why don't you get a vote?

 

 

Rejoined in June.

[jmothecat]

Rejoined in June.

Welcome back. Why did you leave?

[WhiteRoseKillie]

Just now, jmothecat said:

 

Welcome back. Why did you leave?

Because the Party was turning into what attracted you and the rest of Tony's acolytes. Now the New Labour project has been flushed, there's a chance for that to be corrected, even if the last skidmarks on the bowl are taking some shifting.

Also, the kids are older, more time for Party activism as well as my Union activity.

[jmothecat]

Because the Party was turning into what attracted you and the rest of Tony's acolytes. Now the New Labour project has been flushed, there's a chance for that to be corrected, even if the last skidmarks on the bowl are taking some shifting.

Also, the kids are older, more time for Party activism as well as my Union activity.

Good to have you back. A united left is a stronger left.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

3 minutes ago, jmothecat said:

 

Good to have you back. A united left is a stronger left.

 

Jmo, with the greatest of respect, you're not even thirty. You've never seen any kind of Left.

[jmothecat]

Jmo, with the greatest of respect, you're not even thirty. You've never seen any kind of Left.

True I have not seen a left since I left secondary school, and I look now at my daughter and it makes me frightened to think of the world she might inherit if we have more years of unchecked Tory government. The more members the better, even if they believe the route to government is different from the way I view it.

[Bully Wee Villa]

If you believe "the more members the better", surely you believe that new members should be encouraged like, for instance, allowing them to vote?

[jmothecat]

If you believe "the more members the better", surely you believe that new members should be encouraged like, for instance, allowing them to vote?

Indeed, after a period of six months (to prevent entryism etc) I believe they should be given voting rights.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

6 minutes ago, jmothecat said:

 

True I have not seen a left since I left secondary school, and I look now at my daughter and it makes me frightened to think of the world she might inherit if we have more years of unchecked Tory government. The more members the better, even if they believe the route to government is different from the way I view it.

I'm sorry, but you still appear to cling to the idea that any of those involved in Government under Blair or Brown had any kind of Socialist ideals. Just look at what they did: failed to oerturn attacks on the Unions and workers' rights in general, the failure to redress any of the damage done by the Thatcher/major Governments, the whoring of Education to business, the PFI fiasco...

That the weasel bastárds were only willing to condemn "unfair" zero-hours contracts led me to the threshold of realising that if we want any kind of Socialist movement in this country we have to clean out the careerist shite which has controlled the Party for far too long. A long list of abstentions from important votes and an unwillingness to work with other Parties who share the ideals which they should espouse - for no other reason than they see themselves as the unassailable Opposition or Government - pushed me to re-join.

Quite a list there, and I didn't even have to mention Iraq!

The idea that a Labour Party should have even got the stage of considering contracting Conference security to a firm which does not recognise TUs - not having a go, but I don't think you understand how that shows what is wrong with this current lot. And that saddens me, it really does.

[jmothecat]

I'm sorry, but you still appear to cling to the idea that any of those involved in Government under Blair or Brown had any kind of Socialist ideals. Just look at what they did: failed to oerturn attacks on the Unions and workers' rights in general, the failure to redress any of the damage done by the Thatcher/major Governments, the whoring of Education to business, the PFI fiasco...

That the weasel bastárds were only willing to condemn "unfair" zero-hours contracts led me to the threshold of realising that if we want any kind of Socialist movement in this country we have to clean out the careerist shite which has controlled the Party for far too long. A long list of abstentions from important votes and an unwillingness to work with other Parties who share the ideals which they should espouse - for no other reason than they see themselves as the unassailable Opposition or Government - pushed me to re-join.

Quite a list there, and I didn't even have to mention Iraq!

The idea that a Labour Party should have even got the stage of considering contracting Conference security to a firm which does not recognise TUs - not having a go, but I don't think you understand how that shows what is wrong with this current lot. And that saddens me, it really does.

I worry you focus too much on what we didn't do, and not enough on what we did. I don't expect you to think we were perfect, but the positive changes we did make are worthy of remembering. I think this is our biggest problem, that we in the party shrug off our successes and focus instead on our failures. It's something the right don't do and it's something I really wish we did less.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

36 minutes ago, jmothecat said:

 

I worry you focus too much on what we didn't do, and not enough on what we did. I don't expect you to think we were perfect, but the positive changes we did make are worthy of remembering. I think this is our biggest problem, that we in the party shrug off our successes and focus instead on our failures. It's something the right don't do and it's something I really wish we did less.

I focus on what they did, all right. Doing absolutely nothing to stop the disease of Privatisation at best, actively encouraging it to the point of personal enrichment at worst. That's a party calling itself Labour, cutting back Public Services in the name of Private Profit - and lining their own pockets all the while. Unforgivable.

Putting it simply - the Labour Party's job or, as I see it, duty - in power is to first do what they can to repair the damage done by the Tories. Blair and his minions not only failed to do that, they carried on, often with policies which Thatcher would have thought twice about.

[jmothecat]

I focus on what they did, all right. Doing absolutely nothing to stop the disease of Privatisation at best, actively encouraging it to the point of personal enrichment at worst. That's a party calling itself Labour, cutting back Public Services in the name of Private Profit - and lining their own pockets all the while. Unforgivable.

Putting it simply - the Labour Party's job or, as I see it, duty - in power is to first do what they can to repair the damage done by the Tories. Blair and his minions not only failed to do that, they carried on, often with policies which Thatcher would have thought twice about.

The Labour parties job isn't to simply reverse what the Tories do, but to come up with policies and progressive left-wing legislation which helps people. It's incredibly limiting to view ourselves as simply the 'anti-Tories'. Labour exist to enact left wing and left-leaning policies and we did that and you've completely ignored it, instead focusing only on what the party didn't do. You obviously would rather New Labour in power than the Tories, so why not celebrate our achievements whilst you argue for what you would like to see that we haven't been doing?

[WhiteRoseKillie]

3 minutes ago, jmothecat said:

 

The Labour parties job isn't to simply reverse what the Tories do, but to come up with policies and progressive left-wing legislation which helps people. It's incredibly limiting to view ourselves as simply the 'anti-Tories'. Labour exist to enact left wing and left-leaning policies and we did that and you've completely ignored it, instead focusing only on what the party didn't do. You obviously would rather New Labour in power than the Tories, so why not celebrate our achievements whilst you argue for what you would like to see that we haven't been doing?

And here is the fundamental issue with your comparative youth - those of us who remember the Wilson years also remember when you could actually tell the difference.

Of course I would rather have had almost anyone in power after the horrors of the Eighties and most of the Nineties. Who wouldn't? And so it came to pass. Then what happened? Name me one public service which doesn't have some bunch of scumbags siphoning off Public money - that's your money, my money - which should be going towards providing a decent service? PFI interest, "outsourcing" in the Tax Office, The Police, The Armed fúcking Forces, ferchrissake... Your heroes not only betrayed the Party, they sold the country out from under us.