Fullerene Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 If there is a leadership election and Corbyn wins again, I hope the MPs who've resigned and others like them will have the decency to resign as MPs. The party's membership and the PLP are poles apart and increasingly incompatible. If the membership vote for Corbyn again, they are totally lost sight of reality. It is the same as the 1980s. Vast parts of the country were destroyed by Thatcher, who was able to do it because the Labour Party spent all its time playing silly games like "I'm less Tory than you" and "How do you define the purest form of socialism." Navel gazing at its worst. Some people think winning a leadership election is more important than winning a general election Some people think it is better to say "I feel your pain" than to actually do something about it. I honestly don't think Jeremy Corbyn wants to be Prime Minister - it would cramp his style and damage his image. More importantly - I think a lot of people outside the Labour Party think so too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 WARNING: In this post I am going to refer to opinion polls, I know that polls of late have been dodgy but I think we still have to take some cognisance of them. If Corbyn is the unmitigated disaster that many in the PLP claim why are Labour still neck and neck with the Tories in the polls? Really, if he's that bad surely the Tories would be showing massive leads. The fact is they haven't been. If the PLP had rallied around Corbyn at this time rather than attacking him I think there's every reason to imagine they would have gone ahead of the Tories in the polls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 WARNING: In this post I am going to refer to opinion polls, I know that polls of late have been dodgy but I think we still have to take some cognisance of them. If Corbyn is the unmitigated disaster that many in the PLP claim why are Labour still neck and neck with the Tories in the polls? Really, if he's that bad surely the Tories would be showing massive leads. The fact is they haven't been. If the PLP had rallied around Corbyn at this time rather than attacking him I think there's every reason to imagine they would have gone ahead of the Tories in the polls. The same polls said the same thing in 2015. Is Corbyn an inspiring leader to somebody who did not vote Labour before but might do so in the future? The Tories are not showing massive leads because they have totally got it wrong with this referendum Leave was not expected to win, they have no plan if it did and everybody knows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 The same polls said the same thing in 2015. Is Corbyn an inspiring leader to somebody who did not vote Labour before but might do so in the future? The Tories are not showing massive leads because they have totally got it wrong with this referendum Leave was not expected to win, they have no plan if it did and everybody knows it. Since the turn of the year the polls have been close, if anything closing in Labour's favour even before the Brexit debacle. Like I said a united Labour Party could have closed them even more IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Since the turn of the year the polls have been close, if anything closing in Labour's favour even before the Brexit debacle. Like I said a united Labour Party could have closed them even more IMO. Fair enough. I agree. A united Labour Party would definitely have more success. Are they going to unite around Corbyn? They tried but it did not work. Corbyn has spent his entire career as a protestor - nothing wrong with that but how would it work in government In his current role, as leader of the opposition - he is Protestor-in-Chief. I think he is happy with that role and he would be happy if he got it again. If the Leave campaign are in turmoil because they unexpected won - then the same would be said of Corbyn if he won the general election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Fair enough. I agree. A united Labour Party would definitely have more success. Are they going to unite around Corbyn? They tried but it did not work. Corbyn has spent his entire career as a protestor - nothing wrong with that but how would it work in government In his current role, as leader of the opposition - he is Protestor-in-Chief. I think he is happy with that role and he would be happy if he got it again. If the Leave campaign are in turmoil because they unexpected won - then the same would be said of Corbyn if he won the general election. The PLP didn't even pretend to try to unite under Corbyn. They've done nothing but brief against him since the leadership election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Apparently Corbyn will need the backing of 35 mps to stand again for leadership. Is he likely to get that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 The PLP didn't even pretend to try to unite under Corbyn. They've done nothing but brief against him since the leadership election. Okay then but do you think he can persuade them to unite around him now? If he can't persuade his own team of his vision, then what chance has he got with the electorate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Apparently Corbyn will need the backing of 35 mps to stand again for leadership. Is he likely to get that? Apparently MEPs can now nominate. With them out of jobs soon there's a rumoured to be a thought process of them backing Jez so that if moderates are deselected they can get into the vacant seats. Might be total rubbish though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Are they going to unite around Corbyn? They tried but it did not work. Did they? I must have missed that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Labour are a fucking mess. Largely due to self serving back stabbing MPs and their acolytes such as jmothecat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Not taking the piss here but I've heard a lot of people mock the idea of Tom Watson becoming leader and it's mentioned early on in this thread. What's actually wrong with him? I know he's not really the image of a leader but he's got some stuff going for him that doesn't make him too outrageous on the face of it: 6 years on front bench Consistent on open government and produced legislation on 'digital economy' which was actually literate and is one of the only MPs who seems to know how a hard drive works Fought against Rupert Murdoch Presented evidence of a paedophile network to parliament Mediated between both sides of the Labour split OK maybe he's a bit opportunistic in engineering his way into the position he's in but it's not like he's taken a particularly devious strategy. He's just blatantly stood between two sides and it seems like most of the other high profile MPs would have initiated all out civil war by now. I don't see anyone better right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Not taking the piss here but I've heard a lot of people mock the idea of Tom Watson becoming leader and it's mentioned early on in this thread. What's actually wrong with him? I know he's not really the image of a leader but he's got some stuff going for him that doesn't make him too outrageous on the face of it: 6 years on front bench Consistent on open government and produced legislation on 'digital economy' which was actually literate and is one of the only MPs who seems to know how a hard drive works Fought against Rupert Murdoch Presented evidence of a paedophile network to parliament Mediated between both sides of the Labour split OK maybe he's a bit opportunistic in engineering his way into the position he's in but it's not like he's taken a particularly devious strategy. He's just blatantly stood between two sides and it seems like most of the other high profile MPs would have initiated all out civil war by now. I don't see anyone better right now. Look, with your eyes, at the actual, factual nick of this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Look, with your eyes, at the actual, factual nick of this: That look could poll very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Did they? I must have missed that Okay - let's say you are right. They did not try. What makes you think they will try now? Why not deselect them all? .. and when their replacements are treacherous too - they will be deselected as well. Carry on like this for years and see if the world outside takes any notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 This is getting more bizarre by the minute. The new Shadow Education Secretary Pat Glass has written to her PLP Chair informing him that she will not be standing at the next GE which could be as early as October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Look, with your eyes, at the actual, factual nick of this: .. and how did that campaigning at Glastonbury go? Campaigning for what? Nobody tells me anything. Besides which there are no voting booths here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Corbyn loses the VONC, unsure whether this triggers a leadership contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Corbyn loses by 172 votes to 40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 This is what happens when you let people who are not members vote in your party's leadership Election. It would be like the SNP allowing the Free Scotland Party to vote in their elections. Or the Tories having UKIP decide their leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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