Savage Henry Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 2 hours ago, The Master said: League C confirmed, along with Hungary, Romania, Slovenia, Greece, Serbia, Albania, Norway, Montenegro, Israel, Bulgaria, Finland, Cyprus, Estonia and Lithuania. Let's be honest - if we have any aspirations of ever qualifying for a major tournament again, we need to be capable of utterly skooshing any group selected from that lot. But these are precisely the teams we always struggle against in qualifying. If that was a massive World Cup qualifying group, I'd be pretty pissed off if Scotland didn't win that group. Basically, we can measure ourselves by how well we play against Slovenia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 19 hours ago, velo army said: I suppose you're right in that sense. I was just thinking about playing crap teams and having little in the way of "big game" experience in the run up to qualification proper. Was just about to post that same question. I suppose the way to look at it is that one benefit of doing well and being promoted is that you 'up' your level of opponents for next time round and are theoretically then better placed to face tougher opponents if and when you enter a EC or WC finals tournament 1 hour ago, lanky_ffc said: Am I right in thinking that seeding for Euro 2020 qualifying will be based on UEFA coefficient after completion of Nations League? A good campaign in the NL could see us jump into Pot 2 for qualifiers. Pot 4 it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 How do Netherlands keep being seeded when they've been shite for three years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 We can't make Pot 2 for Euro 2020 qualifying now. We can still make Pot 3 by winning our section or being one of the 2 best runners-up. Netherlands have maintained a high enough coefficient... Remember that in this campaign just ended they won 6, drew 1 and lost 3 games; in Euro 2016 qualifying they won 4, drew 1 and lost 5; and in WC 2014 qualifying won 9, drew 0, lost 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Yeah but World Cup 2014 qualifying is ages ago. Surely that must drop off eventually? Pretty mad that a team could potentially qualify for an event in 2020 because they did well more than six years earlier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger29 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 20 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: If that was a massive World Cup qualifying group, I'd be pretty pissed off if Scotland didn't win that group. Basically, we can measure ourselves by how well we play against Slovenia. I'd say Serbia are a better team than us. Their 2014 campaign was a bit all over the place after the Albania game but they seem to be back as a consistent 1/2/3 placed side. The rest are unsurprisingly at our level and I think we'd end up somewhere in the middle. I've noticed a lot of the teams in League C seem to be from the same geographical region. I hope they all get along... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 25 minutes ago, charger29 said: I'd say Serbia are a better team than us. Their 2014 campaign was a bit all over the place after the Albania game but they seem to be back as a consistent 1/2/3 placed side. The rest are unsurprisingly at our level and I think we'd end up somewhere in the middle. I've noticed a lot of the teams in League C seem to be from the same geographical region. I hope they all get along... I hope they don't. I hope they all fall out violently and get suspended from international football. I was under the impression we did well against Serbia. We didn't. We got trounced. Oh well, another tournament we won't be going to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 I've noticed a lot of the teams in League C seem to be from the same geographical region. I hope they all get along... The only real problem there is between Serbia and Albania, but they are in the same seeding group so can't draw each other... though they could meet in the playoffs, I suppose.Don't want to be in the same group as Greece and Cyprus in case they arrange some mutually beneficial Eurovision-style stitch-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 34 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Yeah but World Cup 2014 qualifying is ages ago. Surely that must drop off eventually? Pretty mad that a team could potentially qualify for an event in 2020 because they did well more than six years earlier? UEFA coefficient is 40% campaign just ended, 40% previous campaign, 20% campaign before that. As things stand it'll be irrelevant from now anyway... Nations League finishing positions (for Euros) and world rankings (for WCs) will matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger29 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 1 minute ago, Bully Wee Villa said: The only real problem there is between Serbia and Albania, but they are in the same seeding group so can't draw each other... though they could meet in the playoffs, I suppose. Don't want to be in the same group as Greece and Cyprus in case they arrange some mutually beneficial Eurovision-style stitch-up. True. It seems that Serbian fans could start a fight in an empty room though. I'm sure it won't be long until they're in trouble again no matter who they're playing. 23 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Yeah but World Cup 2014 qualifying is ages ago. Surely that must drop off eventually? Pretty mad that a team could potentially qualify for an event in 2020 because they did well more than six years earlier? They'll lose their 2014 WC FIFA ranking points around when the 2018 WC finishes I think. I don't really think it's that bad to use the last 4 years in the rankings. They do use a weighting, so it's not like 2014 points = 2017 points. It'd give us an advantage though if FIFA cut it to 3 years. I think I read they'll review how the rankings work after the 2018 WC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 So were definitely in League C and amongst the top seeds with Hungary, Romania and Slovenia. In Pot 2 at our level are Greece, Serbia, Albania, Norway In Pot 3 are Montenegro, Israel, Bulgaria, Finland and Pot 4 Cyprus, Estonia, Lithuania. Greece or Serbia will be tough as would Montenegro and Israel. I hope to f**k we don't get Lithuania again, we've drawn them so many times in the last 12-15 years and Cyprus would also be tough. So, ideally Albania, Finland and Estonia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 It's still hilarious to me that one of the League D teams below are going to be at Euro 2020. Brilliant for them, could really kick some of them on, but deary me. Looks like they're in seeding order, so one of those top 4 looking like favourites at the moment? At least if we make it to Euro 2020 and Georgia do too, we presumably won't be playing them in Tbilisi... League A League B League C League D Germany Austria Hungary Azerbaijan Portugal Wales Romania Macedonia Belgium Russia Scotland Belarus Spain Slovakia Slovenia Georgia France Sweden Greece Armenia England Ukraine Serbia Latvia Switzerland Republic of Ireland Albania Faroe Islands Italy Bosnia and Herzegovina Norway Luxembourg Poland Northern Ireland Montenegro Kazakhstan Iceland Denmark Israel Moldova Croatia Czech Republic Bulgaria Liechtenstein Netherlands Turkey Finland Malta Cyprus Andorra Estonia Kosovo Lithuania San Marino Gibraltar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 I'd predict Faroe Islands will do it. Copy the Iceland rise of recent years. Let's be honest though, we're going to lose out anyway, so might as well get beat by decent teams. Getting our tatties from Finland and Albania doesn't sound like much fun. edit - Read through the whole thing and it's laughably complex, especially for the common fan that still thinks away goals count as double. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Probably been covered already but to save people asking: the draw on is on Wednesday, 24 January 2018 in Switzerland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, Poet of the Macabre said: I'd predict Faroe Islands will do it. Copy the Iceland rise of recent years. Let's be honest though, we're going to lose out anyway, so might as well get beat by decent teams. Getting our tatties from Finland and Albania doesn't sound like much fun. Good point, Faroes managed a decent points total (9 was it?) for a side of their level. Would be great to see someone like them qualify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanky_ffc Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Hoping we avoid Serbia. They lost just once in the most recent qualifiers and topped a group containing Austria, ROI and Wales (all of a similar quality to ourselves). I'd fancy them to drop less silly points than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 4 hours ago, Savage Henry said: If that was a massive World Cup qualifying group, I'd be pretty pissed off if Scotland didn't win that group. Basically, we can measure ourselves by how well we play against Slovenia. I admire your confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 I'd say Serbia are a better team than us. Their 2014 campaign was a bit all over the place after the Albania game but they seem to be back as a consistent 1/2/3 placed side. The rest are unsurprisingly at our level and I think we'd end up somewhere in the middle. I've noticed a lot of the teams in League C seem to be from the same geographical region. I hope they all get along... I'm amazed we're ranked ahead of them tbh. Did they have a shite qualifying campaign last time out or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger29 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 I'm amazed we're ranked ahead of them tbh. Did they have a shite qualifying campaign last time out or something? They did but there was also the messy Serbia vs Albania game which had a lot of violence and was abandoned. Was eventually given as a 3-0 win to Albania, with Serbia having to play behind closed doors for some other home matches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 8 minutes ago, kanyewestbank said: With the exception of Cyprus i would be pretty confident of us dropping points against ALL of those teams Results v those nations since 2000:Hungary - L Romania - L Slovenia - DWDWD Greece - not played Serbia - DL Albania - not played Norway - DLLDLW Montenegro - not played Israel - not played Bulgaria - W Cyprus - W Estonia - WW Lithuania - LWWWDWDW Here's hoping for Norway, Bulgaria, Cyprus/Estonia, then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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