zidane's child Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 20 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Two Labour whips defy the 3 line whip. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/27/jeremy-corbyn-article-50-vote-two-labour-whips-refuse I mentioned this on another thread but I can see why some Labour MP's would want to defy the 3 line whip. Some may also use it to undermine Corbyn's leadership. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 1 minute ago, zidane's child said: I mentioned this on another thread but I can see why some Labour MP's would want to defy the 3 line whip. Some may also use it to undermine Corbyn's leadership. What chance does Corbyn have if even his own whips are ignoring him? Labour is a shambles at a time when the Tories are in nearly as bad a mess with Brexit and should be there for the taking. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hehawhehaw Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 26 minutes ago, Redstarstranraer said: Unlike you I can actually string a sentence together. At least nobody's going to accuse you of cutting and pasting your semi-literate drivel from anywhere else though... any original drivel is better than cutnpaste from a ultracrepidarian like yourself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 19 hours ago, Baxter Parp said: Has someone invented a time machine and we're back in days of yore? BE IT ENACTED by the Queens most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same… The Commons are tagged on as an afterthought. So we have Mrs Windsor as the heid yin then Lords Spiritual (English Bishops?) & Temporal then the (Honourable) plebs. Someone said elsewhere that we were subjects of the crown and no citizens of the country. This is absolute proof. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: What chance does Corbyn have if even his own whips are ignoring him? Labour is a shambles at a time when the Tories are in nearly as bad a mess with Brexit and should be there for the taking. Agree 100%. Labour should be hitting the Tories hard over Brexit and not giving them an inch. As much as I like Corbyn and I do think he has got better over the last few months at standing up to Tory policies, his questions and pressure on May at PMQ's in particular. With that said he does have to be stronger and offer more as an opposition party leader. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkyblue2 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 1 hour ago, zidane's child said: Agree 100%. Labour should be hitting the Tories hard over Brexit and not giving them an inch. As much as I like Corbyn and I do think he has got better over the last few months at standing up to Tory policies, his questions and pressure on May at PMQ's in particular. With that said he does have to be stronger and offer more as an opposition party leader. Do you want him to block Article 50 which this is about? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 His amendments to the Article 50 are fair enough and I don't really believe that Labour, or at least the Labour leadership, can oppose Brexit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 That's Jo Stevens also resigned over the 3 line whip. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkyblue2 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Labour dropping like flies, so much for democracy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpreader Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 20 hours ago, Big Rider said: Nope, McServile the McSnivelling McShitespreader. The Low Rider taking a little trip with me , yeah ! F*cking McTastic ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Out of interest, if MPs were allowed to vote freely, and voted yay or nay based on the constituency results, does anyone know what the totals would be? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said: Out of interest, if MPs were allowed to vote freely, and voted yay or nay based on the constituency results, does anyone know what the totals would be? If allowed to vote freely then Article 50 would not be enacted. This is what we elect MPs for, though 'whipping' and self-interest will prevent this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Just now, The_Kincardine said: If allowed to vote freely then Article 50 would not be enacted. This is what we elect MPs for, though 'whipping' and self-interest will prevent this. Apologies, I meant "freely" in the sense that they voted the way their constituencies did, rather than the party whip. Data is hard to get due to the referendum result being reported in local authorities rather than constituencies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 1 minute ago, Mark Connolly said: Apologies, I meant "freely" in the sense that they voted the way their constituencies did, rather than the party whip. I got that and ignored it. There are times when MPs should ignore their constituents. The death penalty is one example. Brexit is another. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Just now, The_Kincardine said: I got that and ignored it. There are times when MPs should ignore their constituents. The death penalty is one example. Brexit is another. I'm not saying they shouldn't, I'd just like to know the figures! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 9 hours ago, hehawhehaw said: any original drivel is better than cutnpaste from a ultracrepidarian like yourself. No. It isn't. You're an absolute blight on this board. There are plenty of guys on here with different views about a lot of stuff but you post endless and unremitting shite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hehawhehaw Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 29 minutes ago, HTG said: No. It isn't. You're an absolute blight on this board. There are plenty of guys on here with different views about a lot of stuff but you post endless and unremitting shite. do you really think so 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpreader Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said: I got that and ignored it. There are times when MPs should ignore their constituents. The death penalty is one example. Brexit is another. OMG.......You still don't get it do you??? The reason we got Brexit is precisely because MP's have been ignoring their constituents, ffs........ for far too long! MP's should stand down if they are not prepared to represent the electorate...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpreader Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mark Connolly said: Out of interest, if MPs were allowed to vote freely, and voted yay or nay based on the constituency results, does anyone know what the totals would be? There were a couple of Scottish constituencies with majority Brexit votes, I'm led to believe......but haven't researched it myself! Edit .....research completed http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scottish-constituency-of-banff-and-buchan-voted-for-brexit-1-4294559 Edited January 27, 2017 by McSpreader 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, McSpreader said: OMG.......You still don't get it do you??? The reason we got Brexit is precisely because MP's have been ignoring their constituents, ffs........ for far too long! MP's should stand down if they are not prepared to represent the electorate...... The reason we got Brexit is because England has too many small-minded xenophobes who are now acting like jack the lad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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