Granny Danger Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Barnier turning the screws. Either there can be a customs union or trade barriers for goods and services will be “unavoidable”. Not only is this obvious but it’s the same position as existed months ago. If there’s no customs union there will be a hard border in Ireland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 The entire brexit negotiation has turned into Eddie Izzards "cake or death" skit. UK still demanding the chicken when all we can have is "or Death." The self-own-humiliation-marathon of the United Kingdom, continues. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Skidmarks Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Channel 4 news. Once again the idea that the EU sells more to us than we sell to them - so why wouldn't they offer us a great deal. Answer: They probably sell more to each other than they do to us. Does anyone seriously think Germany sells BMWs to the UK but not Ireland or Portugal or Finland or any of the others. Why would they jeopardize a level playing field for 27 countries just to please us? Does it really never occur to these Brexiteers that EU countries do business with each other? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Channel 4 news. Once again the idea that the EU sells more to us than we sell to them - so why wouldn't they offer us a great deal. Answer: They probably sell more to each other than they do to us. Does anyone seriously think Germany sells BMWs to the UK but not Ireland or Portugal or Finland or any of the others. Why would they jeopardize a level playing field for 27 countries just to please us? Does it really never occur to these Brexiteers that EU countries do business with each other? You've seen the state of the average Brexiter, haven't you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 You've seen the state of the average Brexiter, haven't you? Union Jack tattoos on their tits and necks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Cort's Hamstring Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Fullerene said: Channel 4 news. Once again the idea that the EU sells more to us than we sell to them - so why wouldn't they offer us a great deal. Answer: They probably sell more to each other than they do to us. Does anyone seriously think Germany sells BMWs to the UK but not Ireland or Portugal or Finland or any of the others. Why would they jeopardize a level playing field for 27 countries just to please us? Does it really never occur to these Brexiteers that EU countries do business with each other? I'm still trying to get my head round the idea that people think that one of our trump cards is a huge trade deficit. Edited February 5, 2018 by Carl Cort's Hamstring 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawpar Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Here is a first. The first time I have agreed with a conservative MP. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42955553 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Here is a first. The first time I have agreed with a conservative MP.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42955553 I agree with Lamont tbh. She's being ridiculous. May developing a spine is a ludicrous idea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, Fullerene said: Channel 4 news. Once again the idea that the EU sells more to us than we sell to them - so why wouldn't they offer us a great deal. Answer: They probably sell more to each other than they do to us. Does anyone seriously think Germany sells BMWs to the UK but not Ireland or Portugal or Finland or any of the others. Why would they jeopardize a level playing field for 27 countries just to please us? Does it really never occur to these Brexiteers that EU countries do business with each other? They won't jeopardise their playing field. Stuff will just cost more. They may sell fewer cars but they won't just disappear. Most will cope just fine. It's us who will feel the totality of the impact of tariffs. Edited February 6, 2018 by HTG 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 5 hours ago, pawpar said: Here is a first. The first time I have agreed with a conservative MP. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42955553 Flawed analysis by Soubry - neither Major or Cameron were "great leaders". Major never controlled the "b*****ds" on his backbenches and lost the little credibility he had left when his "back to basics" campaign backfired. Cameron miscalculated that a Tory/Lib-Dem/Labour Alliance would give Remain an easy victory forgetting the Lib-Dems were still regarded as toxic from their coalition with him (!) and not understanding that Labour's support under Corbyn was going to be half-hearted at best. May's not going to do anything to upset the Eurosceptics that's the section of the party she comes from. Her decision to back Remain during the referendum surprised many and was clearly a tactical ploy for a future bid to be Tory Party leader - well she got what she wanted! Cameron's change of mind wrt quitting after the referendum was probably the smartest decision he ever made, Brexit was always gonna be a nightmare which May compounded by losing her majority last June. The scale of how badly its going can be seen by May having to struggle to hold onto a job nobody else wants at present! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, HTG said: They won't jeopardise their plaing field. Stuff will just cost more. They may sell fewer cars but they won't just disappear. Most will cope just fine. It's us who will feel the totality of the impact of tariffs. The red tape and bureaucracy will be a bigger hit than tariffs imo. Huge queues at the borders for all the to and fro of the supply chains. "Just in time" stock control will be impossible. And then there will regulatory variations and additional hurdles. What a fucking waste. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Some times I really struggle to understand why so many people are passionately wanting to leave the EU. I am not in love with the EU but I have never felt like shaking my fist and saying "Let me out." I suspect it is about migration - all these people coming from elsewhere - and a sense of a loss of identity. Only problem is - any trade deal with India will make it easier for people from India to come here. Similarly, Brazil, China or any other country for that matter. I can easily imagine the angry Brexiteers get angry about that as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 May to be gone by the weekend 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Theresa May calling an election when 20+ points ahead of Labour in the polls then losing her majority is probably the funniest thing I remember in almost 50 years of following politics. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Theresa May calling an election when 20+ points ahead of Labour in the polls then losing her majority is probably the funniest thing I remember in almost 50 years of following politics. An election fought by Jacob Rees-Mogg, Boris Johnson and Michael Gove that positions the Tories as the party of “ordinary working people” will be even funnier. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 Theresa May calling an election when 20+ points ahead of Labour in the polls then losing her majority is probably the funniest thing I remember in almost 50 years of following politics. Smug David Cameron calling a referendum which was impossible to lose; swanning around Europe; losing then walking was also quite funny. However result was tragic 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 40 minutes ago, NotThePars said: An election fought by Jacob Rees-Mogg, Boris Johnson and Michael Gove that positions the Tories as the party of “ordinary working people” will be even funnier. What is less funny is the number of “ordinary working people” who would still vote Tory with that troika at the helm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 What is less funny is the number of “ordinary working people” who would still vote Tory with that troika at the helm. The Chlamydia Kid on here is a great example of someone who happily votes against his economic interests because he thinks electing in a left wing party is going to lead to him being crushed under the boot of a trans immigrant demanding he accepts he has to be horny for her. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob the tank Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Spoiler I read something yesterday, which surprised me a wee bit. Apparently no plans have been drawn up or applications applied for to build the infrastructure required for transport parking and customs buildings etc, which will certainly be needed at ports all across England when the tariffs kick in, and documentation and transport will all have to be physically checked. The article also said that nothing has been done about recruiting extra customs staff, who would require training before the omnishambles rolls out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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