Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[John Lambies Doos]

All 27 member states have to agree to an extension or the clock simply runs down to zero and there is a no deal Brexit. It's all just posturing from Labour. If a deal doesn't get done next month that can be voted through at Westminster with cross-party support this is heading straight over the cliff, so sadly it's all about the general election that is going to follow that at some point rather than averting the associated economic meltdown.

Why wouldn't all 27member states agree to extension though?

[Granny Danger]

5 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

All 27 member states have to agree to an extension or the clock simply runs down to zero and there is a no deal Brexit. It's all just posturing from Labour. If a deal doesn't get done next month that can be voted through at Westminster with cross-party support this is heading straight over the cliff, so sadly it's all about the general election that is going to follow that at some point rather than averting the associated economic meltdown.

The European Court is hearing a challenge to this premise.

 

[LongTimeLurker]

15 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

22 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

All 27 member states have to agree to an extension or the clock simply runs down to zero and there is a no deal Brexit. It's all just posturing from Labour. If a deal doesn't get done next month that can be voted through at Westminster with cross-party support this is heading straight over the cliff, so sadly it's all about the general election that is going to follow that at some point rather than averting the associated economic meltdown.

Why wouldn't all 27member states agree to extension though?

Gibraltar

[dorlomin]

The EU can and likely will expect certain guarantees before an extension is granted. Both the Tories and the Corbyn newbennites will find some of them hard to swallow. The idea that they win an election then can just totally boss a few weeks negotiations for entry into the single market while not having to sign up to areas like maintaining the privatisations that are the key driver for the hard lefts "lexit" plan seems are unlikely as many of May's fantasies that she can hard bargain the EU past its red lines. 

 

The real old Labour, not the neobennites fantasy, had big name union people in the cabinet\shadow cabinet. These were generally men (with virtually no exceptions) who had battled to the top of the working unions, bargaining their whole lives over wages, dismissals, holidays etc. This is what people talking about new parties or misty eyed about a fake old labour miss, beneath the rhetoric it was built on practical deal making. Send a Blair, Wilson or Atlee cabinet to Europe and they would have the core experience to "make a deal". Now its mostly protesting back benchers, the union barons are around but not part of the cabinet team. 

Labour emerged because the Liberals far too often looked after their class interest and the socialist\marxists were too up their own arses on theories and plans for revolution. It was party of practical deal makers. Not protesters. 

 

[DublinMagyar]

The EU can and likely will expect certain guarantees before an extension is granted. Both the Tories and the Corbyn newbennites will find some of them hard to swallow. The idea that they win an election then can just totally boss a few weeks negotiations for entry into the single market while not having to sign up to areas like maintaining the privatisations that are the key driver for the hard lefts "lexit" plan seems are unlikely as many of May's fantasies that she can hard bargain the EU past its red lines. 
 
The real old Labour, not the neobennites fantasy, had big name union people in the cabinet\shadow cabinet. These were generally men (with virtually no exceptions) who had battled to the top of the working unions, bargaining their whole lives over wages, dismissals, holidays etc. This is what people talking about new parties or misty eyed about a fake old labour miss, beneath the rhetoric it was built on practical deal making. Send a Blair, Wilson or Atlee cabinet to Europe and they would have the core experience to "make a deal". Now its mostly protesting back benchers, the union barons are around but not part of the cabinet team. 
Labour emerged because the Liberals far too often looked after their class interest and the socialist\marxists were too up their own arses on theories and plans for revolution. It was party of practical deal makers. Not protesters. 
 

Very much agree

It's also been dead for decades

[John Lambies Doos]

Boris has a plan!!
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45673214

[Detournement]

18 hours ago, dorlomin said:

The EU can and likely will expect certain guarantees before an extension is granted. Both the Tories and the Corbyn newbennites will find some of them hard to swallow. The idea that they win an election then can just totally boss a few weeks negotiations for entry into the single market while not having to sign up to areas like maintaining the privatisations that are the key driver for the hard lefts "lexit" plan seems are unlikely as many of May's fantasies that she can hard bargain the EU past its red lines. 

 

The real old Labour, not the neobennites fantasy, had big name union people in the cabinet\shadow cabinet. These were generally men (with virtually no exceptions) who had battled to the top of the working unions, bargaining their whole lives over wages, dismissals, holidays etc. This is what people talking about new parties or misty eyed about a fake old labour miss, beneath the rhetoric it was built on practical deal making. Send a Blair, Wilson or Atlee cabinet to Europe and they would have the core experience to "make a deal". Now its mostly protesting back benchers, the union barons are around but not part of the cabinet team. 

Labour emerged because the Liberals far too often looked after their class interest and the socialist\marxists were too up their own arses on theories and plans for revolution. It was party of practical deal makers. Not protesters. 

 

Did you read that on the back of a cereal box?

 

[Cerberus]

2 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said:

Boris has a plan!!
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45673214

Boris is a fat sack of shit.

He'll make a worse job of PM than he did of Foreign Secretary. 

[doulikefish]

The tory courier front page today.Im sure there will be an interview from kristine Hair blaming the eeeesssdnnnppoeee next week

[LongTimeLurker]

Except they cannae. Interesting times ahead and it will be interesting to see how the electorate reacts to the reality of the now almost inevitable hard Brexit.

[Granny Danger]

32 minutes ago, doulikefish said:

The tory courier front page today.Im sure there will be an interview from kristine Hair blaming the eeeesssdnnnppoeee next week

Just beat me to posting that.  Quite a front page for a ‘conservative’ publication.  All the Tory fermers inside crying about the effects is fun.

 

[Colkitto]

If you're on Twitter there is a must read thread by Patrick Kielty on the Irish border issue

[ICTJohnboy]

Theresa May's just informed Andrew Marr that Chequers isn't dead - it's just resting.

Guess she must be a big Monty Python fan!

[John Lambies Doos]

Theresa May's just informed Andrew Marr that Chequers isn't dead - it's just resting.
Guess she must be a big Monty Python fan!

Took a flesh wound mate

[Granny Danger]

I’d really like to see the SNP get ahead of this with an unconditional statement in support of a second Brexit referendum with a commitment to campaign to stay in.

Politically it would be the right think to do and electorally I think it would work.

Wait until the Tory conference is over and the depth of divisions exposed then full blooded statement.

 

[Antlion]

17 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

I’d really like to see the SNP get ahead of this with an unconditional statement in support of a second Brexit referendum with a commitment to campaign to stay in.

Politically it would be the right think to do and electorally I think it would work.

Wait until the Tory conference is over and the depth of divisions exposed then full blooded statement.

 

I wouldn’t. What’s the point? Another UK referendum won’t accept or recognise Scotland’s national voice any more than the last one did.

[John Lambies Doos]

I wouldn’t. What’s the point? Another UK referendum won’t accept or recognise Scotland’s national voice any more than the last one did.

This.
SNP should be concentrating on an independence referendum which is very winnable. f**k Brexit and this Tory mess. Let them fight it out with the other fucking dicks Labour.

[Granny Danger]

3 hours ago, Antlion said:

I wouldn’t. What’s the point? Another UK referendum won’t accept or recognise Scotland’s national voice any more than the last one did.

Because as things stand the Scottish economy is inextricably linked to the U.K. one as Scotland is still part of the U.K.  A hard Brexit will have a significant impact on Scottish businesses and jobs and there will be a knock on impact on public sector spending.

As usual, it will be the most vulnerable who will be hardest hit.  For them it will not be some ideological wankfest it will be an even tougher existence following years of Tory austerity.

I cannot see how the SNP can be harmed politically or electorally from this and IMO it will put them in a more likely position to hold the balance of power following a GE.

 

 

[RiG]

In the style of The Express, Buzzfeed, clickbait pish here is Peston SLAPPING DOWN BoJo...

 

[Detournement]

19 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

 

I cannot see how the SNP can be harmed politically or electorally from this and IMO it will put them in a more likely position to hold the balance of power following a GE.

 

 

They are holding off because they don't want to set a precedent where a referendum result isn't implemented.

There is no real route to getting Remain on a ballot anyway.