kirkyblue2 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 I’m sure you will all be crying out for a second referendum on the deal if Scotland leaves the UK. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Blackford needs to be more focussed with his contributions - especially as he's usually given second shot at asking questions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: Blackford laying right into her there, she goes back to her stock Scotland voted to stay in '14. Indeed we did, however there wasn't the spectre of departing the EU at that point, in fact quite to the contrary, the EU membership was used by the Unionists as the reason to STAY in the Union. This is why I could never be a politician, I'd just lose it with idiots like her and ask her if she was Fcukin stupid or what ?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, kirkyblue2 said: I’m sure you will all be crying out for a second referendum on the deal if Scotland leaves the UK. Is there a precedent for this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 kirkyblue2 has literally f**k all to add to this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) So May is not going to accept "indicative votes" - is it possible for the opposition to propose a "meaningful vote", if not then surely there's got to be another VoNC? Edited March 25, 2019 by btb 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkyblue2 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Principal Flutie said: kirkyblue2 has literally f**k all to add to this. Zzzzzzzz 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) So the situation is that Parliament won't currently accept May's deal, May doesn't have to and won't accept the outcome of any indicative vote by the house so May's great plan remains the same, count down the clock until April 12th, wait for enough anuses to prolapse on the Commons benches and pass her godforsaken deal. Edited March 25, 2019 by renton 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Feared that there would be another three weeks of essentially 'nothing' happening, and it still looks that way at the moment... She won't resign, won't be bound by indicative votes (even if a 2nd Ref emerged as a favourite), won't essentially remove no deal scenario, and probably won't hold another vote on her deal until as close to April 12th as possible, Only outcome looks to be a longer extension of up to 2 years, and surely a GE later this year. Meanwhile the UK has to take part in the Euro elections in May. Her deal will be bombed out again in the week of April 12th, so longer extension appears to be the only current route. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 38 minutes ago, btb said: So May is not going to accept "indicative votes" - is it possible for the opposition to propose a "meaningful vote", if not then surely there's got to be another VoNC? Tories apparently will not select anyone who votes against the government in a VoNC for the next election, so you'd be looking at a turkeys voting for Christmas scenario. There is, of course, a path to winning a VoNC without any Tories at all, but the DUP are absolutely determined to stick with her despite the backstop scenario. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 May is saying she will not be bound by indicative votes. Is there any way that Parliament can force this? Maybe Laura’s friend @Ad Lib could shed some light on it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 hours ago, moniton said: This is a country where Catholics, Jews and Muslims can't become prime minister, where the mainstream media and the 2 main parties conspire to sell us an idea that a 2 party state is the way forward because it leads to strong government, where FPTP is king, where the titular head of state is a monarch, where the 2nd chamber is unelected- the British idea of democracy is a little too fluid. Really? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: Really? Nobody could have told Disraeli, the chancer. Edited March 25, 2019 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Nobody could have told Disraeli, the chancer. Disraeli had converted to CofE by the time he entered politics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Disraeli had converted to CofE by the time he entered politics. Aye, at 12, didn't know that. But I'm sure there isn't a rule about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Aye, at 12, didn't know that. But I'm sure there isn't a rule about it. There isn't. How could there be? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: There isn't. How could there be? Think the Queen/King has to be an Anglican, not sure though. There was some change a few years ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 hours ago, moniton said: This is a country where Catholics, Jews and Muslims can't become prime minister, Eh? We're talking about Britain, mate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 This is quite enlightening....official Cabinet meeting minutes show that the Tories are simply concerned about what is good for the Conservative party, and not the country. We all knew that, but it's quite eye-opening to see it officially confirmed. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/mar/25/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-chairs-cabinet-ahead-of-statement-to-mps-as-calls-for-her-resignation-continue-live-news 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 The only kind of vote that could say for sure that people want to stay in the EU is a vote to stay in the EU or leave, now that people are more aware of the consequences of it. There's literally no other vote that can give any answer to this. Imagine actually bringing up a general election as some sort of proof. It'd prove f**k all. A pro independence majority held Holyrood and No won the independence referendum that followed. That shoots the election idea right out of the water. I've already went into detail as to why a second vote would be a fair thing to do, one of which I've alluded to in the first paragraph here. Even if it's an "affront to democracy", which I don't believe it is, why should I give a f**k anyways? Should I just be like "things are going to go tits up, but folk voted for it without really knowing the consequences, so f**k it."?As “affronts to democracy” go asking people to vote on something must rank pretty low 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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