btb Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 Barnier getting tough! Quote If the UK were to leave the EU without a deal, let me be very, very clear. We would not discuss anything with the UK until there is an agreement for Ireland and Northern Ireland, as well as for citizens’ rights and the financial settlement. These are the three issues covered by the withdrawal agreement. So, in other words, Barnier is saying that even if the UK were to leave without signing the withdrawal agreement, it would have to do so in future if it ever wanted a trade deal with the EU. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 20 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Hopefully the EU will tell May to stick her short extension up her arse. I would be happy if they used those exact words. Can't see that happening, Granny... They're not from Dundee. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Can't see that happening, Granny... They're not from Dundee. We would say erse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 43 minutes ago, btb said: Barnier getting tough! These are the three issues covered by the withdrawal agreement. So, in other words, Barnier is saying that even if the UK were to leave without signing the withdrawal agreement, it would have to do so in future if it ever wanted a trade deal with the EU. They've been saying this for a couple of years now. Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 1922 Committee Executive have told May that a customs union is unacceptable as the UK won't be able to negotiate trade deals. The delusion of these arseholes never ceases to amaze me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 37 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: 1922 Committee Executive have told May that a customs union is unacceptable as the UK won't be able to negotiate trade deals. The delusion of these arseholes never ceases to amaze me. Yeah but they are good elected British folk, not unelected European bureaucrats. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 1 hour ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: 1922 Committee Executive have told May that a customs union is unacceptable as the UK won't be able to have the NHS raped by American corporations. The delusion of these arseholes never ceases to amaze me. FTFY 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Mark Connolly said: Yeah but they are good elected British folk, not unelected European bureaucrats. It's 'Brussels bureaucrats'. 'European' isn't specifically xenophobic enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, sparky88 said: It's 'Brussels bureaucrats'. 'European' isn't specifically xenophobic enough. It's experts like you that people are sick of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 3 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Hopefully the EU will tell May to stick her short extension up her arse. I would be happy if they used those exact words. Definitely not going to happen - but the translation into English would probably be pretty close. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 On 07/04/2019 at 11:40, oaksoft said: I have no idea what terms the UK will be able to negotiate but it's better than being forced to accept someone else's terms. It's not 'someone else's ' terms. The UK is part of it so we have a say in these terms. Unfortunately approx one third of MEPs are Kippers who just try to wreck the system and do f**k all to further the UK's position. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sureiknow Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 Can we just not leave on friday? We voted to leave. Not leaving is letting all of us down, and that includes those who voted to remain. On the 23 rd of June 2016 we were asked one question. To leave or remain. Is not complicated. One question was asked, we got the answer. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, sureiknow said: Can we just not leave on friday? We voted to leave. Not leaving is letting all of us down, and that includes those who voted to remain. On the 23 rd of June 2016 we were asked one question. To leave or remain. Is not complicated. One question was asked, we got the answer. You're so 2016, that was in the olden days. It's the bright new world of 2019, everything's changed. You need to open your eyes or get left behind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, sureiknow said: Can we just not leave on friday? We voted to leave. Not leaving is letting all of us down, and that includes those who voted to remain. On the 23 rd of June 2016 we were asked one question. To leave or remain. Is not complicated. One question was asked, we got the answer. Aye but the losers want LEAVE to be as near to REMAIN as possible, all the ties and regs without a say. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudBairn Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 I question whether most people know that the EU has elections... and we actually get too take part. Can only be a good thing taking part and should hopefully give a gauge of public opinion which is for sure going in the direction of remain. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, ayrmad said: Aye but the losers want LEAVE to be as near to REMAIN as possible, all the ties and regs without a say. If we crash out our producers will still go by EU regs, they aren't going to rewrite them when the EU and other markets will insist that we keep to them, otherwise it's red tape madness and costs for all concerned. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 19 minutes ago, sureiknow said: Can we just not leave on friday? We voted to leave. Not leaving is letting all of us down, and that includes those who voted to remain. On the 23 rd of June 2016 we were asked one question. To leave or remain. Is not complicated. One question was asked, we got the answer. It does not include me. The idea that we might remain is buoying me up. We got a leave answer from 37% of the electorate. Which means 63% did not vote to leave. It was not complicated because you didn't understand what was involved. Did you? All the stuff about medicines, nuclear material, astronomical cooperation, cross border police cooperation, driving licences, time we could spend in the EU, working in more than one country, getting those precious fish across the channel to market, losing export of lamb to the EU, etc, etc,etc,etc,etc....you considered all of that, did you? I doubt it. It was like asking a 5 year old kid if he'd like just ice cream for every meal. He'd only give one answer but if it was granted, he'd eventually wish he'd given a different answer. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, oaksoft said: It will be if we have a soft Brexit with a customs union. It'll be whatever deal the EU have with other countries both now and in the future if things change. We'll have no subsequent say. I don't want ANY kind of brexit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 14 minutes ago, welshbairn said: If we crash out our producers will still go by EU regs, they aren't going to rewrite them when the EU and other markets will insist that we keep to them, otherwise it's red tape madness and costs for all concerned. It's not quite as simple as that. Any product that currently requires third party conformity assessment and had its original assessment carried out by a UK 'notified body' will have to have the product retested. Once that has been done (perhaps by seperate testing houses for the EU & UK markets?) it will have to be marked with the CE mark before it can be sold in the EU, and the new UKCA mark before it can be sold in the UK. So, there's an immediate example of new red tape madness & costs for any manufacturer who sells in the UK & EU. Wonderful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said: It's not quite as simple as that. Any product that currently requires third party conformity assessment and had its original assessment carried out by a UK 'notified body' will have to have the product retested. Once that has been done (perhaps by seperate testing houses for the EU & UK markets?) it will have to be marked with the CE mark before it can be sold in the EU, and the new UKCA mark before it can be sold in the UK. So, there's an immediate example of new red tape madness & costs for any manufacturer who sells in the UK & EU. Wonderful. Remember when people like John Redwood used to complain about red tape and went on about the Tories being the Party of Business? Forward to 2019. Quote "f**k business." Boris Johnson https://www.ft.com/content/8075e68c-7857-11e8-8e67-1e1a0846c475 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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