btb Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Colkitto said: Yes, obviously it needs to be unanimous for all EU countries. The Irish will never compromise so it's a non-starter Compromises are always "non-starters" until they happen! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: The might not say “stay” but they can engineer a situation where that is the likely outcome, or at worst the softest of Brexits. I know it’s hard to appreciate given all that had happened but there a far more Remainers than Leavers in Parliament. There's nobody making much of a shape to engineer this though, is there? And how are they going to sell this to The People (who have already had a vote, and voted Leave, and then voted for Brexiteer parties at the subsequent GE)? After all, both parties had Brexit in their manifestos at the last election, whether the individual MP is a Remainer or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 There's only a handful of Tories who would break ranks to vote with Labour and they will all buckle if the Tory hierarchy puts pressure on them. May continually saying that we are leaving in March. It would be a hell of a U turn to announce something else. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Ireland will say No - along with Germany, France - Poland will probably do what Germany tell them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: There's nobody making much of a shape to engineer this though, is there? And how are they going to sell this to The People (who have already had a vote, and voted Leave, and then voted for Brexiteer parties at the subsequent GE)? After all, both parties had Brexit in their manifestos at the last election, whether the individual MP is a Remainer or not. Oh yeah of little faith. Or maybe too much faith. Three predictions; no No Deal, no acceptance of May’s plan, EU not shifting. See what’s left. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Most avenues have been explored, so I'd imagine it would be pretty soon. She may pull the trigger in a couple of weeks or she may say if final Brexit deal vote does not contain CU and SM then she will request Section 30 order. That would be my feeling too - wait for the inevitable shit Brexit deal and request Section 30 at that point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 The Lib Dem posho for Caithness and Sutherland just asked May how they could make sure the SNP don't spend all the redirected regional money on Edinburgh and Glasgow! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: There's nobody making much of a shape to engineer this though, is there? And how are they going to sell this to The People (who have already had a vote, and voted Leave, and then voted for Brexiteer parties at the subsequent GE)? After all, both parties had Brexit in their manifestos at the last election, whether the individual MP is a Remainer or not. The Tories ignored large swathes of their manifesto on the basis of them losing their majority- remember the dementia tax? They could just blame the EU for having to stay in the EU. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 It’s ironic that the Murdoch owned Sky is more critical of May than the publicly owned BBC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Colkitto said: Most avenues have been explored, so I'd imagine it would be pretty soon. She may pull the trigger in a couple of weeks or she may say if final Brexit deal vote does not contain CU and SM then she will request Section 30 order. She's going to be sectioned...? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 21 minutes ago, sparky88 said: The Tories ignored large swathes of their manifesto on the basis of them losing their majority- remember the dementia tax? They could just blame the EU for having to stay in the EU. They might. But what little credibility they have would be shot to pieces. Although I suppose by the time of the next General Election a lot of people might have fotgotten all about Brexit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: They might. But what little credibility they have would be shot to pieces. Although I suppose by the time of the next General Election a lot of people might have fotgotten all about Brexit. I'm sure there's an Alzheimer's/dementia joke in there somewhere but ... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Detournement said: There's only a handful of Tories who would break ranks to vote with Labour and they will all buckle if the Tory hierarchy puts pressure on them. May continually saying that we are leaving in March. It would be a hell of a U turn to announce something else. 118 voted with Labour last week. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, welshbairn said: 118 voted with Labour last week. The vast majority of them are Brexiters. There are about a dozen Remainer rebels and probably only a boozed up Soubry would rebel if May threatened to resign. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 27 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Wow tories in human gesture shocker https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46950719 Deflection. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Corbyn with another contradictory performance today; correctly stating that May will get very little joy in trying to negotiate a better deal from the EU, but seemingly overlooking his repeated claim that he would somehow magic something on a CU and the single market.Glad to see Ireland and the EU publicly standing four-square on the backstop. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: Glad to see Ireland and the EU publicly standing four-square on the backstop. Why? It makes No Deal more likely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, beefybake said: She's going to be sectioned...? Who..? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Why? It makes No Deal more likely.I doubt anyone outwith the Tory Bam Tendency has ANY appetite for No Deal.The sooner May is boxed in, the sooner we can deal with this fiasco. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: Corbyn with another contradictory performance today; correctly stating that May will get very little joy in trying to negotiate a better deal from the EU, but seemingly overlooking his repeated claim that he would somehow magic something on a CU and the single market. Glad to see Ireland and the EU publicly standing four-square on the backstop. In fairness to Corbyn (yes I know) a negotiation involving a CU would be viewed very differently by the EU27. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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