Granny Danger Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Which will (hopefully) mean more defections to TIG. Hopefully? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: How will that help? 8 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Hopefully? More to vote against May's deal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 1 minute ago, ICTJohnboy said: More to vote against May's deal. And a bit more chaos to force a GE, which is beginning to look like the best way of sorting out the mess. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: More to vote against May's deal. But they'd be voting against May's deal as a Tory or as an Independent. I'm not quite sure what the Independent Group achieves other than pure symbolism. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 21 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: More to vote against May's deal. Will they vote to postpone or cancel Brexit? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: But they'd be voting against May's deal as a Tory or as an Independent. I'm not quite sure what the Independent Group achieves other than pure symbolism. Yip, they get the same number of votes whether they defect or stay and if they defect their voices are less effective. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Savage Henry said: But they'd be voting against May's deal as a Tory or as an Independent. I'm not quite sure what the Independent Group achieves other than pure symbolism. 10 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Will they vote to postpone or cancel Brexit? AFAIK the independent group are all remainers, compared to the two main parties who both want to respect the 2016 referendum result. I'm a remain voter myself and would like to see Brexit binned, so if there was a GE tomorrow I'd be voting for the independent group if they stand a candidate in my constituency. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: But they'd be voting against May's deal as a Tory or as an Independent. I'm not quite sure what the Independent Group achieves other than pure symbolism. If Labour and the Tories feel threatened by defections to TIG, the quickest way to kill it off could be to call a GE, so they have no time to establish a party structure or even a convincing manifesto. Doubt it will happen, but a hundred or so MPs defecting could reshuffle the pack which I think is needed. Edited February 24, 2019 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 15 minutes ago, Donathan said: AFAIK the independent group are all remainers, compared to the two main parties who both want to respect the 2016 referendum result. I'm a remain voter myself and would like to see Brexit binned, so if there was a GE tomorrow I'd be voting for the independent group if they stand a candidate in my constituency. Apart from the fact they are not yet a political party, they will split the vote and let the Tories in. Umunna will be quite happy with that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Granny Danger said: Apart from the fact they are not yet a political party, they will split the vote and let the Tories in. Umunna will be quite happy with that. Depends who they prop up. Say there was an election in a few months and these 11 MPs retain their seats as independents due to their local popularity, and theres a hung parliament with Labour and the Tories being roughly equal on seats, I think they'd be willing to back a Labour administration as long as Corbyn is binned. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 31 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Yip, they get the same number of votes whether they defect or stay and if they defect their voices are less effective. At least the defectors can't be whipped into voting for May now that they're out. You know how these Tories respond to a good whipping session. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 23 minutes ago, Donathan said: Depends who they prop up. Say there was an election in a few months and these 11 MPs retain their seats as independents due to their local popularity, and theres a hung parliament with Labour and the Tories being roughly equal on seats, I think they'd be willing to back a Labour administration as long as Corbyn is binned. yeah Labour will bin Corbyn to satisfy these c***s! Anyway the SNP will have a bigger say as to who forms a government in these circumstances. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 The Express (I know) is reporting that Turkey wants a free trade deal with Britain in exchange for freedom of movement.That will go down well in Gammonland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Just now, Cerberus said: The Express (I know) is reporting that Turkey wants a free trade deal with Britain in exchange for freedom of movement. That will go down well in Gammonland. Absolutely not a chance this will happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 The Express (I know) is reporting that Turkey wants a free trade deal with Britain in exchange for freedom of movement.That will go down well in Gammonland.Expect Gavin Williamson to urge carpet-bombing Turkey by Tuesday at the latest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Donathan said: Depends who they prop up. Say there was an election in a few months and these 11 MPs retain their seats as independents due to their local popularity, and theres a hung parliament with Labour and the Tories being roughly equal on seats, I think they'd be willing to back a Labour administration as long as Corbyn is binned. There may be an election, but I very much doubt many of them will retain their seats. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: There may be an election, but I very much doubt many of them will retain their seats. There are loads of examples of people leaving a party and being re-elected as an independent due to local popularity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Donathan said: There are loads of examples of people leaving a party and being re-elected as an independent due to local popularity. Give me 10 within the last 20 years. Jim Kilfedder and Lady Sylvia Hermon did it here, quitting the Ulster Unionists, both in North Down. Kilfedder held the seat for 18 years after quitting the Ulster Unionists and Lady Hermon has held it for 8. However only Lady Hermon comes under my "twenty year" rule! Edited February 24, 2019 by Jacksgranda 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/24/brexit-could-be-delayed-until-2021-eu-sources-reveal Brexit could get a 2 year delay 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 23 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Which of the current crop do you reckon are popular locally? Yeah I’d also like to hear the answer to that question. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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