Guest Bob Mahelp Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: 21 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: 'Ah, but thon Nicola Sturgeon though'.... Shurley "but thon wee nippy Krankie"? Surely (from a purely Scottish point of view) one of the mostly profoundly depressing aspects of this whole clusterfuck is the unwillingness of a large amount of Scottish voters to contemplate independence. The worst government in UK history, causing the biggest peacetime crisis. And yet many in Scotland would still rather be shackled to this sack of drowning rats rather than have an independent Scotland making our own path. 'Ah cannae stand thon Nicola Sturgeon'. F*ck me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Capital Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 There seems to be quite a cross section of the unionist vote who view Nicola Sturgeon (and Alex Salmond before her) as if she was Stalin or Pol Pot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 There seems to be quite a cross section of the unionist vote who view Nicola Sturgeon (and Alex Salmond before her) as if she was Stalin or Pol Pot. Harsh on Pol Pot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Harsh on Pol Pot.Typical Cowdenbeath fan!Always sticking up for the Khmer Rouge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Looking at the votes it seems that the SNP abstained on not only Ken Clarke's Customs Union but also on Labour's alternative and on Common Market 2.0.If the options do get narrowed down it will be interesting to see which way they jump.I can understand why they didn't back Labour's pie-in-the-sky plan and Customs Union.I could see them coming round to backing Common Market 2.0 as it retains SM membership.Still wouldn't be enough to swing matters - this is going to come down to what Tory Remainers and Labour inbetweeners do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarapoa Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Interesting article from a Tory paper here - apparently oil is the bargaining chip, the EU needs it.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 I see Pete Wishart and Angus McNeil rebelled on the second referendum vote. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ng-interactive/2019/mar/27/how-did-your-mp-vote-in-the-indicative-votes#table 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Highland Capital said: I see Ross Thomson voted for a No Deal Brexit. Aberdeen South voted 68% Remain. Surely he’ll be getting the chop if there’s a general election. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 SNP voted the same as TIG except with more abstentions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 47 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Looking at the votes it seems that the SNP abstained on not only Ken Clarke's Customs Union but also on Labour's alternative and on Common Market 2.0. If the options do get narrowed down it will be interesting to see which way they jump. I can understand why they didn't back Labour's pie-in-the-sky plan and Customs Union. I could see them coming round to backing Common Market 2.0 as it retains SM membership. Still wouldn't be enough to swing matters - this is going to come down to what Tory Remainers and Labour inbetweeners do. They're playing the long game here, I suspect. My guess is they won't jump at all. Like them or loathe them, the SNP are a very tightly run ship. History was never a fairer judge than to Charlie Kennedy when he refused to back the Gulf intervention. If Brexit happens - and particularly if it's a hardish Brexit, the SNP will rightly claim the higher ground for being consistent as everyone else seems to be losing their minds. That'll set them up nicely for a Holyrood victory and a second independence ballot in a few years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 41 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I see Pete Wishart and Angus McNeil rebelled on the second referendum vote. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ng-interactive/2019/mar/27/how-did-your-mp-vote-in-the-indicative-votes#table That will be well worth perusing. On a very quick look, a lot of Tories voted against everything, which really helps nobody. I guess they want the hardest possible Brexit. A few Labourites voted for five of the eight, but I can't see any eejit who voted yes for all eight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: That will be well worth perusing. On a very quick look, a lot of Tories voted against everything, which really helps nobody. I guess they want the hardest possible Brexit. A few Labourites voted for five of the eight, but I can't see any eejit who voted yes for all eight. It has to be remembered that the whole indicative vote process only happened because enough MPs voted for it. That suggests to me that there is scope for consensus on one or other of the options. I wonder if anyone was daft enough to vote for the process then vote against or abstain on all the options. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Spoiler alert: If Scotland ever votes to become an independent country there will need to be all kinds of negotiations in the aftermath of the referendum on the best way to go about (a) the secession and (b) the future relationship between Scotland and whatever's left of the UK (Eng/Wal/NI or indeed just ENG/WAL) During these negotiations and subsequent votes in the Scottish parliament, there will no doubt be some hardline SNP MSPs who wish to leave with no deal, some will support the deal that Sturgeon (or whoever is FM) has negotiated with Westminster, meanwhile the unionist MSPs will be calling for a people's vote in order confirm whether we want to bother with independence full stop. People like Wishart are opposed to EUref2 because it will potentially validate the unionist MSPs asking for a confirmatory vote on a secession deal at some point after a future yes vote to Scottish independence.The difference being the indy ref was a binding vote and literally had a book to vote on. We're in this situation with Brexit precisely because no one knew what the f**k we were voting on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamieson87 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 This is an excellent read - How the UK lost Brexit battle The course of Brexit was set in the hours and days after the 2016 referendum. https://www.politico.eu/article/how-uk-lost-brexit-eu-negotiation/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 I see Mogg will now back May's deal, but only if the DUP do as well. So not only is he a hypocrite, but he's a complete coward as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 There seems to be quite a cross section of the unionist vote who view Nicola Sturgeon (and Alex Salmond before her) as if she was Stalin or Pol Pot. It's whoever demands or threatens independence. Doesn't matter who. Leader of the SNP = instant bogeyman. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 SNP voted the same as TIG except with more abstentions.The Independent group voted *against* Clarke's customs union, SNP abstained yet it's the SNP you're "disappointed with". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Raaaaab suggesting we can go back to the EU and get more concessionnon the WA. The fucking moron is playing to the Sun-reading gallery with this pish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 The SNP are against Brexit. So they're not going to vote for Brexit in any form. This really shouldn't be difficult and it's not "disappointing". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 14 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Raaaaab suggesting we can go back to the EU and get more concessionnon the WA. The fucking moron is playing to the Sun-reading gallery with this pish. I'd love to see him try! The weed would last 5 minutes in a meeting with Barnier. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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