Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[Detournement]

11 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said:

It isn't possible to have full employment.

Of course it is.

You were better when you were just asking everyone for evidence.

[JamieThomas]

4 minutes ago, Londonwell said:

JRM has already given these lines to the press, “what was announced today was an attempt to overturn Brexit in an attempt to do a deal with socialists. It’s very serious.”

Oh no, not socialists!

[Detournement]

8 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

https://talkradio.co.uk/news/daffodil-farmer-says-european-workers-saved-his-business-19040230520

Yes people who will work for shite wages in shite conditions are great for business owners.

[dirty dingus]

1 minute ago, Loondave1 said:

Nice of the P&B intelligentsia to point out the potential trap for Corbyn/Labour but I will go out on a limb and say they probably realise that as well..

She's going to invite Corbyn round to have a cozy chat by the fireplace at number 10 then she'll unleash Chuka and Soubry dishing out the tea and the french fancies.

[Detournement]

12 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

You've got that wrong - it's ban black, Asian and muslimy people and they'll be happy.

Objections to FoM have always been of the racist scapegoat variety.

The "they're taking our jobs away" argument would hold if they actually wanted the jobs done by foreign workers - but the reality is that many of the indigenous population don't want to do these jobs. It's why, for example, the agriculture sector is absolutely shitting it over Brexit because they know they won't get local workers to do the jobs.

It's not a pay issue either but the nature of these jobs - to put it bluntly some of these jobs seem to be beneath our indigenous population - or too much like "hard work".

This is racist nonsense.

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

Just now, Detournement said:

Yes people who will work for shite wages in shite conditions are great for business owners.

I'm not sure about the point(s) you're stumbling to make.

Are you suggesting that all daffodils should be grown indoors in 20 degree temperatures without the use of soil, and that people should be paid 30 quid an hour to harvest them ?

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Yes people who will work for shite wages in shite conditions are great for business owners.

Some really good employers are struggling to get reliable employees.

I don't know about elsewhere but having spoken to several people who work for employment agencies in Dundee there is real culture of absenteeism/late-coming amongst local workers.

Was told about one agency placing 50 locals at above minimum wage in a local call centre - within a week 11 had dropped out because they had either not turned up or were persistently late.

That doesn't surprise me - some youngsters leave school with appalling absenteeism that just isn't tackled - it's only when they go below 80% that anything is done - do being absent one day a week is almost tolerated - that is not an acceptable message to send young people.

[Loondave1]

She's going to invite Corbyn round to have a cozy chat by the fireplace at number 10 then she'll unleash Chuka and Soubry dishing out the tea and the french fancies.

"French fancies" Bloody remoaner foreign muck..

[DeeTillEhDeh]

This is racist nonsense.

Because there isn't a problem recruiting indigenous workers?

 

LSE and NIESR research would say otherwise.

 

[Detournement]

12 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

I'm not sure about the point(s) you're stumbling to make.

Are you suggesting that all daffodils should be grown indoors in 20 degree temperatures without the use of soil, and that people should be paid 30 quid an hour to harvest them ?

Given that 30 quid an hour equates to a full time salary of roughly £55,000 a year, no.

But there is a middle ground between the higher rate tax band and the kind of shitty piece work a lot of these type of employers offer.

[welshbairn]

It'll be back to sulky local school children serving you in Highland hotels instead of Polish and Romanian babes the way it's going. And the care industry will take a hammering. We've got an aging population with a low birth rate.

Edited April 2, 2019 by welshbairn

[Tibbermoresaint]

17 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Of course it is.

 

It isn't. It's never happened and never will.

[Detournement]

1 minute ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Because there isn't a problem recruiting indigenous workers.

LSE and NIESR research would say otherwise.

There is a problem recruiting British workers for rock bottom wages and with poor terms and conditions. British industry refuses to countenance improving wages and terms and conditions.

In the example of your call centre it was probably cold calling and people generally hate that kind of work.

[Detournement]

2 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said:

It isn't. It's never happened and never will.

You are a moron.

Unemployment (genuinely) averaged under 2% between 1950 and 1973. Funnily enough this was the greatest period in British history for social mobility and equality.

[Tibbermoresaint]

1 minute ago, Detournement said:

You are a moron.

Unemployment (genuinely) averaged under 2% between 1950 and 1973. Funnily enough this was the greatest period in British history for social mobility and equality.

National Service plus non-jobs in nationalised industries does not equate to full employment. And your comments about social mobility and equality are complete shite.

[Detournement]

I obviously mean economic equality.

National service calls ups ended in 1960. The idea that jobs in productive industries are non jobs is absurd.

[pandarilla]

[emoji38] National Service plus non-jobs in nationalised industries does not equate to full employment. And your comments about social mobility and equality are complete shite.

Non jobs? What the f**k are you on about?

Read some books.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

There is a problem recruiting British workers for rock bottom wages and with poor terms and conditions. British industry refuses to countenance improving wages and terms and conditions.
In the example of your call centre it was probably cold calling and people generally hate that kind of work.

It wasn't.

It was a call centre dealing with customer service for a well-known national retailer.

You should stick to something you know about - like why it's not a good idea to buy shares in a bank that has more debt than assets.

[Tibbermoresaint]

2 minutes ago, Detournement said:

I obviously mean economic equality.

National service calls ups ended in 1960. The idea that jobs in productive industries are non jobs is absurd.

 Of course you meant economic equality. That's why you didn't say so. Sure there was more economic equality. That's because there were more poor people. Is that what you want?

Not all jobs in nationalised industries were non-jobs. That would be absurd. But there were plenty of jobs that shouldn't have existed and only disappeared on privatisation.

1 minute ago, pandarilla said:

Non jobs? What the f**k are you on about?

Read some books.

I've read plenty of books on the subject, thanks.

[John Lambies Doos]

Tibbermoresaint having another mare here.
Pleasing