Sooky Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Surely even SNP supports perfectly well understand why May isn’t talking to them? SNP primary position is to revoke, Labour position is such that there’s actually a chance of reaching consensus. They also have a lot more votes to provide. It’s pretty straightforward. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Is Corbyn anxious to end freedom of movent? I was under the impression that would have to continue if we remain in the customs union. The union wing of the Labour party generally is. If Corbyn had actually expressed an opinion it'd be easier to tell, but I've never been able to escape the idea that he's pretty much on board with any form of Brexit which ends freedom of movement. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Jack D Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, Sooky said: Surely even SNP supports perfectly well understand why May isn’t talking to them? SNP primary position is to revoke, Labour position is such that there’s actually a chance of reaching consensus. They also have a lot more votes to provide. It’s pretty straightforward. The case for Scottish Independence in a nutshell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Donathan said: Welsh minister Nigel Adams has resigned, an arch Brexiteer https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1113401032028168194 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Remember all those people who told us that the EU27 would collapse at the last minute and we would have the last laugh? They were still peddling that line just a few weeks ago. What has happened to them? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, Sooky said: Surely even SNP supports perfectly well understand why May isn’t talking to them? SNP primary position is to revoke, Labour position is such that there’s actually a chance of reaching consensus. They also have a lot more votes to provide. It’s pretty straightforward. Their ideal position is to revoke but that's not to say they can't bargain either a people's vote or a softer Brexit as we've already seen during the indicative votes. Ultimately the ultimate goal of the Brexiteers is no deal and the ultimate positions of remainers is revoke, but then you've got a sliding scale that basically goes: No deal May's deal (ie Hard Brexit, but still with a deal.) Customs union (Ken Clarke proposal, Turkey style deal. Call this a medium Brexit) Common Market 2.0 (Nick Boles proposal for soft Brexit, Norway style deal) Revoke Or any of the above subject to referendum. Or the final option is that we discard all of them and have a GE and let all the parties set their positions out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Surely even SNP supports perfectly well understand why May isn’t talking to them? SNP primary position is to revoke, Labour position is such that there’s actually a chance of reaching consensus. They also have a lot more votes to provide. It’s pretty straightforward. I think it illustrates a problem though. We have now reached the point where they are just desperate to agree any deal at all and so what that deal contains and whether it is actually any good for the country is almost secondary to the fact that it scrapes enough people to support it. I think the indicative votes showed that the other evening as well. A lot of people were annoyed the SNP didn’t vote for Clark’s Custom Union option, but without realising there would still be no freedom of movement, and is still a very hard Brexit. They didn’t vote for it because it is a rubbish option but people are just desperate for anything less than No Deal, they are jumping at it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Yet with your secondary level economic genius you were happy to wrench us out the Union that matters (80% of trade) with no guarantee on even currency. Go figure. If you’re going to be an arse about it its actually tertiary level. Regardless yes because leaving the UK doesnt preclude trade. Currency issue has been addressed! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Owen Smith asks whether the PM will accept a customs union and a "people's vote" on the final Brexit deal, as the price for getting her agreement through the Commons. He says that this is what Labour will ask for in the cross-party talks later. Theresa May replies that there are a "number of areas" where she agrees with Jeremy Corbyn on Brexit, including the need to leave with a deal. She is working to find a solution which can "command the support of this House", she adds. That's the first time she has not rejected out of hand a second referendum. Think it will be what happens but it won't be a ballot vs Remain but a simple Yes/No on her deal+CU. Would be interesting to say the least - SNP, Lib Dems and ERG would be on the No side along with some Remain Tory/Labour MPs. Yes would be May/Corbyn. I think No would win. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Has Jezza gone to see Treeza yet? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Corbyn’s biggest problem is that he has to decide which Labour Party position to argue. His own position, supported by tankies in his own party and MPs from Leave constituencies. The majority PLP position which is a lot softer but still Leave. The position of the majority of Labour members and Labour voters which is on the softest Brexit/People’s Vote/revoke axis. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Just now, dirty dingus said: Is this a riddle? If so the answer is: “One’s a balloon with glasses and so’s the other one.” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Yet with your secondary level economic genius you were happy to wrench us out the Union that matters (80% of trade) with no guarantee on even currency. Go figure. If you’re going to be an arse about it its actually tertiary level. Regardless yes because leaving the UK doesnt preclude trade. Currency issue has been clarified, Scotland will have its own currency. We will be able to trade with the UK. The biggest issue for Scotland is that we need immigration from EU countries to fill gaps in our labour market, this is crucial given our ageing population. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 4 hours ago, dee_62 said: EU previously (at last summit) offered 22nd May as an option for an extension - contingent on UK taking part in EP elections. Doubt they'll change that. Looks like you’re right. From the SKY news website: ANALYSIS: EU has lost any faith in the UK government or parliament to deliver Sources in EU institution are very clear that any Brexit extension beyond the end of next week is now only an option if the UK commits to European Parliament elections, writes Europe correspondent Mark Stone. https://news.sky.com/story/live-brexit-deal-only-achievable-with-labour-support-may-tells-mps-11682813 Good news IMO. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Looks like you’re right. From the SKY news website: ANALYSIS: EU has lost any faith in the UK government or parliament to deliver Sources in EU institution are very clear that any Brexit extension beyond the end of next week is now only an option if the UK commits to European Parliament elections, writes Europe correspondent Mark Stone. https://news.sky.com/story/live-brexit-deal-only-achievable-with-labour-support-may-tells-mps-11682813 Good news IMO. Only if the UK doesn't sign off on a deal before April 12th. https://twitter.com/Mina_Andreeva/status/1113418242788339713 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 3, 2019 Author Share Posted April 3, 2019 Owen Smith asks whether the PM will accept a customs union and a "people's vote" on the final Brexit deal, as the price for getting her agreement through the Commons. He says that this is what Labour will ask for in the cross-party talks later. Theresa May replies that there are a "number of areas" where she agrees with Jeremy Corbyn on Brexit, including the need to leave with a deal. She is working to find a solution which can "command the support of this House", she adds. That's the first time she has not rejected out of hand a second referendum. Think it will be what happens but it won't be a ballot vs Remain but a simple Yes/No on her deal+CU. Would be interesting to say the least - SNP, Lib Dems and ERG would be on the No side along with some Remain Tory/Labour MPs. Yes would be May/Corbyn. I think No would win.Her deal plus CU will fly through the house 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Rubin Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Eu election results ( if they happen ) will be funny. Presumably all leavers in England will either boycott the elections or back UKIP. Turnout will be sky high from remainers. Would probably result in a good night for the SNP, Lib Dems and UKIP. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Only if the UK doesn't sign off on a deal before April 12th. https://twitter.com/Mina_Andreeva/status/1113418242788339713 I can only see that happening if she reaches a deal with Corbyn and I wouldn’t put money on that. If it has to go back to the HoC I don’t think they will meet the timetable. Of course if May hadn’t fucked around for months this would never have happened. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: If you’re going to be an arse about it its actually tertiary level. Regardless yes because leaving the UK doesnt preclude trade. Currency issue has been addressed! I was weakly opposed to Scottish independence at the time of the referendum, but had no doubt that it wouldn't have harmed the economy. Hard brexit would be an economic catastrophe for Britain. Soft, not so much, but then what's the point? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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