beefybake Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 I wonder who is promoting and paying for this 'poll' . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Which Harry Clarke have you got in mind? Glasgow bin lorry driver??He croaked it didnt he?? If not apologies to friends/ family and i better take the support page on facebook down 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, beefybake said: I wonder who is promoting and paying for this 'poll' . Dark money Div 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 14 minutes ago, doulikefish said: Glasgow bin lorry driver??He croaked it didnt he?? If not apologies to friends/ family and i better take the support page on facebook down Last I heard he was working in Germany. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Last I heard he was working in Germany. Hope the Canadians were ok 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Theresa May call the leaders of the biggest Trade Unions (for the first time since becoming PM) looking for support for her deal. Strong and Stable v Weak and Desperate. You decide. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Im sure union leaders will be falling over themselves to support her.And what back for support...workers rights being protected? If so, imagine that even being a bargaining chip ffs. That should be a monster red flag for workers if it wasn't already obvious to them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirso Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) 23 hours ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: For once you are probaly correct, but not in the way you intended. Anyone who knows about manufacturing and its associated myriad of interconnecting activities (I have a career lifetime of it) knows that decisons to relocate are taken over time and only after a very thorough evaluation of the pros and cons - it is not a simple press of a button exercise. Companies are always seeking competitive advantage and wage rates are obviously a sizeable factor in that, but not every company is engaged in a drive (npi) to the bottom as it can often go very pear-shaped, especially when the product is a technically advanced one requiring a high degree of integration and repeatable quality. An experienced, trained workforce can still be a huge asset, even on the balance sheet. These decisions are made as low hanging fruit from consultants all the time. The next stage is how quick they can get it done. It doesn't seem to me that your reply and Detournements comment are incongruous at all. It might be a couple of years but the relocations are invariably made. We've had northing already and next 3-5 year cycles will be offshoring. Some already done, some already ahead of the curve but the 3000 local jobs are gone whatever way you cut it and put flowery words round it. If it was Brexit vote during manufacturing 30 years ago I may have voted not to join. But that ship's sailed. The EU at least offers job security for the EU bloc against an even bigger threat in the far east for the current skill set of the majority here. Edited January 11, 2019 by tirso 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 You wouldn't put it past her getting this through 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 This is the Sky News estimate of the vote. It looks high to me but if it’s anything close to this it will be utter humiliation for May. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 I think she'll lose but just fall short - say by about 10-15 votes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirso Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 23 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: This is the Sky News estimate of the vote. It looks high to me but if it’s anything close to this it will be utter humiliation for May. What does it matter if the deal is rejected? There's going to be no other deal on the table. I don't understand if you agree Brexit must be carried out how you can reject the deal actually. It wouldn't matter to remainers what the deal was. They don't want a deal, they want to remain. The SNP's position is flawed. They want to be in the single market. The EU have dismissed this. Labour don't have a clue what they want. There is no other deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 23 minutes ago, tirso said: What does it matter if the deal is rejected? There's going to be no other deal on the table. I don't understand if you agree Brexit must be carried out how you can reject the deal actually. It wouldn't matter to remainers what the deal was. They don't want a deal, they want to remain. The SNP's position is flawed. They want to be in the single market. The EU have dismissed this. Labour don't have a clue what they want. There is no other deal. The EU certainly didn't dismiss single market membership, you've literally just made that up. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 27 minutes ago, tirso said: What does it matter if the deal is rejected? There's going to be no other deal on the table. I don't understand if you agree Brexit must be carried out how you can reject the deal actually. It wouldn't matter to remainers what the deal was. They don't want a deal, they want to remain. The SNP's position is flawed. They want to be in the single market. The EU have dismissed this. Labour don't have a clue what they want. There is no other deal. I think the technical term is “pish”. As for the SNP position; every single one of the 53 local authority areas in Scotland voted ‘Remain’. That’s every single one. 100%, or 110% if you’re a football player or manager. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirso Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 The EU certainly didn't dismiss single market membership, you've literally just made that up.So the EU have said we can have single market entry? They've said they're not changing this deal other than clarifications. I'd say that's much bigger than a clarification. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirso Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I think the technical term is “pish”. As for the SNP position; every single one of the 53 local authority areas in Scotland voted ‘Remain’. That’s every single one. 100%, or 110% if you’re a football player or manager. I'm a supporter of the SNP and believe there is a moral duty to put the issue to the Scottish people. I'm talking about the deal the rUK will have to live with, and us if we're stupid enough to vote no again. I don't think we can stop the rUK leaving if they voted for it. Care to tell me what is actually pish about it. You see the EU giving us a different deal? Edited January 11, 2019 by tirso 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Just now, tirso said: So the EU have said we can have single market entry? They've said they're not changing this deal other than clarifications. I'd say that's much bigger than a clarification. Theresa May has been unwavering that the UK will leave the single market from day one of her premiership - it's literally never been asked for. Other deals are still an option and Article 50 can be extended if there is a new general election, changing the government, or a second referendum. With the parameters May has set out and her red lines, they are done speaking as this is pretty much all they can reasonably offer. The talk of no other deal is based on what we're asking for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 minute ago, tirso said: I'm a supporter of the SNP and believe there is a moral duty to put the issue to the Scottish people. I'm talking about the deal the rUK will have to live with if we're stupid enough to vote no again. I don't think we can stop the rUK leaving if they voted for it. If we were independent rUK could do what they want. Whilst we are part of the U.K. I want any decision to be in Scotland’s interest. Incidentally I think that would also be in rUK’s interest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 41 minutes ago, tirso said: What does it matter if the deal is rejected? There's going to be no other deal on the table. I don't understand if you agree Brexit must be carried out how you can reject the deal actually. It wouldn't matter to remainers what the deal was. They don't want a deal, they want to remain. The SNP's position is flawed. They want to be in the single market. The EU have dismissed this. Labour don't have a clue what they want. There is no other deal. To quote Theresa May "leaving means we are able to have control of our borders, money and seek new independent trade deals" Single Market access would contradict all of the above. It's never been an option Tirso. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: If we were independent rUK could do what they want. Whilst we are part of the U.K. I want any decision to be in Scotland’s interest. Incidentally I think that would also be in rUK’s interest. The thing is, it is bad for an independent Scotland to have trading barriers with rUK. Real worry would be if we get no deal right now and then have a big trading mess that requires a long time to clean up after independence and takes attention away from other important stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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