GAD Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 I'm somewhere between Edinburgh and Falkirk listening to these weird bumpkins speak. Fucking hell. like. eh. Ken. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 You should watch Limmy. "That accent" is clearly the worst. Followed by the roasters in parts of Ayrshire who use words like "Twa", "Seeven" and "Eleevin" when counting. Seeek as a parrot 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 15 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: No it doesn't ...because you need to get out into the countryside to get into genuine Ulster Scots territory? Think you maybe need to bear in mind that as an Aberdonian you are two major pronunciation/dialect shifts away from western central belt Scots (or what is left of it) that is usually claimed to be closest to Ulster Scots, so what's normal to you as Scots is not the way a Glaswegian would see it. Think isoglosses is the term used in linguistics for that. There's the ken line at Faulhouse and the Castlecary viaduct that has been discussed that abruptly separates the east and the west and then there's the wha/fa line that I think lies around Carnoustie and Forfar between east and northeast Scots. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 52 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: ...because you need to get out into the countryside to get into genuine Ulster Scots territory? Think you maybe need to bear in mind that as an Aberdonian you are two major pronunciation/dialect shifts away from western central belt Scots (or what is left of it) that is usually claimed to be closest to Ulster Scots, so what's normal to you as Scots is not the way a Glaswegian would see it. Think isoglosses is the term used in linguistics for that. There's the ken line at Faulhouse and the Castlecary viaduct that has been discussed that abruptly separates the east and the west and then there's the wha/fa line that I think lies around Carnoustie and Forfar between east and northeast Scots. Correct - generally speaking heading north and east from Coleraine. The Coleraine accent isn't Scottish, to my ear, anyway. Although, dialect wise, some of the natives have a habit of sticking "but" at the end of a sentence. Particularly those from Killowen (Bertie Peacock territory). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 17 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: Correct - generally speaking heading north and east from Coleraine. The Coleraine accent isn't Scottish, to my ear, anyway. Although, dialect wise, some of the natives have a habit of sticking "but" at the end of a sentence. Particularly those from Killowen (Bertie Peacock territory). I was taught that you should never end a sentence with a preposition, but. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Scottish thing that always irritates me is when people say 'no' instead of 'not'. Should be 'nae'. Or 'not' not 'no'. Or how instead of why. I once got a slow clap from English colleagues when I used the word remember. Upon asking what they were on about, they pointed out that I always used 'mind' in its place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Or how instead of why. I once got a slow clap from English colleagues when I used the word remember. Upon asking what they were on about, they pointed out that I always used 'mind' in its place. Two good ones. Bad for both. Thinking about it I don't think I actually ever say remember. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Jacobsen Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 (edited) It's 'jay'. *edit* I thought 'ji' was an Irish thing given my Irish relatives say 'ji' and my Scottish relatives say 'jay'. Edited November 20, 2016 by Allan Jacobsen 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 The alphabet was traditionally taught as i, ji, k, l in schools in Scotland, so it used to be one of the minor Scotland England differences in standard English usage that people obsess over in identity terms. Recent decades it's now seen as more of a schemie thing 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wren Road Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 It's always ji. Always 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 2 hours ago, Hedgecutter said: Or how instead of why. I once got a slow clap from English colleagues when I used the word remember. Upon asking what they were on about, they pointed out that I always used 'mind' in its place. The classic story of the weegie barber: "How do you want your hair cut?" "Because it's too fucking long" I already have my coat, thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 On 19 November 2016 at 00:32, The_Kincardine said: That's moot, though we all ken it's 'ji'. How you pronounce "schedule" is much more a shibboleth. Schedule is only different if you're American 3 hours ago, Günther said: Ji every time with the odd exception. DJ would sound fuckin weird if you said Dee-Jai. Also things like Shite, not shit and Arse, not ass Which is why it is "Jay" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 The letter J is quite clearly supposed to be pronounced 'jay'. Anyone who doesn't say it like this is a simpleton. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 18 hours ago, Günther said: Ji every time with the odd exception. DJ would sound fuckin weird if you said Dee-Jai. The reason DJ is pronounced "Dee Jay" worldwide, is because the letter J is pronounced "Jay". Unless of course you are a dribbling simpleton. If you're reading this thinking you say Ji and you aren't a dribbling simpleton, wipe the drool from your chin and learn to speak properly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Jai. Utter nonsense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) Ji is the last remnant of the traditional Scots language pronunciations for the letters: http://www.scots-online.org/grammar/spelling.asp and for whatever reason wasn't ditched along with the rest when Scotland's education system conformed to English language norms. There is nothing defective or stupid about it. It used to be used like "outwith" as one of the markers of distinctiveness that was held up for Scottish Standard English. Edited November 21, 2016 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eindhovendee Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Stolen from fb. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Joe Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) Cartoon in one of the weegie rags following the Celtic v East Fife Scottish Cup final in 1927... Edited November 21, 2016 by Angusfifer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 23 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: The alphabet was traditionally taught as i, ji, k, l in schools in Scotland, so it used to be one of the minor Scotland England differences in standard English usage that people obsess over in identity terms. Recent decades it's now seen as more of a schemie thing Must be an age thing. Without doubt when we learned the alphabet 'j' rhymed with 'i'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 20 hours ago, Rugster said: Schedule is only different if you're American Except most people you hear - even on Radio 4 - pronounce it wrongly? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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