Most talented band

[Boostin' Kev]

2 hours ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

Public Enemy. I mean I don't know exactly what it is Professor Griff does but he's probably the best in the world at it because no-one else is doing it. Excluding him then Terminator X, Chuck D and Flava Flav were all at the absolute peak of the game as well.

Could argue The Bomb Squad were the best producers at the turn of the 80s/90s given all the quality releases they worked on including PE. Never heard Chuck D mentioned anywhere near goat emcee status though. 

[Detournement]

In terms of musical ability it has to be a jazz band. Miles Davis playing with John Coltrane and Bill Evans or Miles and Herbie Hancock and Tony Williams is difficult to beat. Miles talks a fair bit in his autobiography about how most rock musicians were considered to be 'no playing motherfuckers' by the standards of the jazz guys. 

 

[Jimi Shandrix]

2 hours ago, Detournement said:

In terms of musical ability it has to be a jazz band. Miles Davis playing with John Coltrane and Bill Evans or Miles and Herbie Hancock and Tony Williams is difficult to beat. Miles talks a fair bit in his autobiography about how most rock musicians were considered to be 'no playing motherfuckers' by the standards of the jazz guys. 

 

Miles' autobiography is a cracking read. Everybody is a motherfucker.

[paranoid android]

5 hours ago, Detournement said:

In terms of musical ability it has to be a jazz band. Miles Davis playing with John Coltrane and Bill Evans or Miles and Herbie Hancock and Tony Williams is difficult to beat. Miles talks a fair bit in his autobiography about how most rock musicians were considered to be 'no playing motherfuckers' by the standards of the jazz guys. 

Jazz players always have great technique, but do they have better chops than the guys in Dream Theatre, for example? I wouldn't say so. 

[Boostin' Kev]

8 hours ago, Detournement said:

In terms of musical ability it has to be a jazz band. Miles Davis playing with John Coltrane and Bill Evans or Miles and Herbie Hancock and Tony Williams is difficult to beat. Miles talks a fair bit in his autobiography about how most rock musicians were considered to be 'no playing motherfuckers' by the standards of the jazz guys. 

 

It's only the Miles electric releases I like. 

[Detournement]

12 minutes ago, Boostin' Kev said:

It's only the Miles electric releases I like. 

I like the electric stuff the best as well but surely you don't dislike Sketches Of Spain? I've got time for everything except the 80s pop stuff. Got to draw the line there. 

 

[D.A.F.C]

Could argue The Bomb Squad were the best producers at the turn of the 80s/90s given all the quality releases they worked on including PE. Never heard Chuck D mentioned anywhere near goat emcee status though. 

Wu tang clan, every member had successful solo careers.
DJ muggs was also prolific and the man behind several hip hop groups

[Gaz]

On 26/11/2016 at 17:20, Gaz said:

Radiohead.

Still this, but having gotten into them quite a bit over the past few months, I'd put a shout out for Rush as well.

[Brilliantdisguise]

Rush.

[8MileBU]

Dream Theater albeit not my cup of tea are pretty complex, technically brilliant musicians.

[topcat(The most tip top)]

In terms of musical ability it has to be a jazz band. Miles Davis playing with John Coltrane and Bill Evans or Miles and Herbie Hancock and Tony Williams is difficult to beat. Miles talks a fair bit in his autobiography about how most rock musicians were considered to be 'no playing motherfuckers' by the standards of the jazz guys. 

 But late 20th century Jazz generally wasn’t about bands. These are all hugely talented individuals who came together in lots of different temporary formations but without a real collective identity 

There are a few exceptions like Weather report or the Jazz messangers but generally speaking the advent of bop with it’s focus on individual virtuosity saw the end of “the band” in Jazz.

 

On the other hand Quintette du Hot Club de France was able to contain both Django Reinhardt and Stephane Grappeli till world war 2 started

 

 

 

[Detournement]

1 hour ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

 But late 20th century Jazz generally wasn’t about bands. These are all hugely talented individuals who came together in lots of different temporary formations but without a real collective identity 

There are a few exceptions like Weather report or the Jazz messangers but generally speaking the advent of bop with it’s focus on individual virtuosity saw the end of “the band” in Jazz.

 

On the other hand Quintette du Hot Club de France was able to contain both Django Reinhardt and Stephane Grappeli till world war 2 started

 

 

 

The two famous Miles Davis Quintets played together for years enough for them to have a recognised line up people can rhyme off. 

I listened to a few Dream Theatre tracks  there and it sounded like Iron Maiden minus the humour with added cheese.

[paranoid android]

5 minutes ago, Detournement said:

The two famous Miles Davis Quintets played together for years enough for them to have a recognised line up people can rhyme off. 

I listened to a few Dream Theatre tracks  there and it sounded like Iron Maiden minus the humour with added cheese.

I'm not a particular fan of Dream Theatre, but they can play like f**k.

[8MileBU]

24 minutes ago, paranoid android said:

I'm not a particular fan of Dream Theatre, but they can play like f**k.

Yep, same but can’t deny their ability. 

Same with the likes of Gloryhammer and their Tales From The Kingdom of Fife! (Can listen to them occasionally though)

[Oscar Wilder]

Would have to say the Exploited!! [emoji450][emoji12]

[paranoid android]

1 minute ago, 8MileBU said:

Yep, same but can’t deny their ability. 

Same with the likes of Gloryhammer and their Tales From The Kingdom of Fife! (Can listen to them occasionally though)

I think the Dream Theatre lads came out of Berkley College as a lot of jazz guys do. 

They also did a project called the Liquid Tension Experiment, which involved session bassist Tony Levin - one of the world's leading session players who's played with the likes of John Lennon, Yes, Peter Gabriel and King Crimson - Levin came out of the Eastman School of Music.

Levin said that he practiced all day every day for six months to prepare for the Liquid Tension gig - that is some level of musicianship right there. 

Levin started playing in the fields of classical and jazz, and played with Buddy Rich, but chooses to play rock music because he prefers it. 

[GNU_Linux]

Meshuggah

[topcat(The most tip top)]

Still one of my favourite quotes ever - when John Lennon was asked if Ringo Starr was the best drummer in the world, he hit back with "He wasn't even the best drummer in the Beatles..."

You hear a lot of people slagging off Ringo’s drumming but you seldom hear drummers slagging off Ringo’s drumming.

[8MileBU]

33 minutes ago, Oscar Wilder said:

Would have to say the Exploited!!

Great band! Not for this thread though!

24 minutes ago, GNU_Linux said:

Meshuggah
 

Djent!

A horrible sound. 

[topcat(The most tip top)]

3 hours ago, Detournement said:

The two famous Miles Davis Quintets played together for years enough for them to have a recognised line up people can rhyme off. 

I suppose if Robert Fripp and Fank Zappa qualify for this thread then it wouldn't be fair to exclude the likes of Davis or Hancock

I retract my objection