Jacksgranda Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 14 hours ago, pandarilla said: All well and good about preferring the ballot box but terrorists are usually fighting for an equal say in society, fair treatment and the like.This is something that didn't exist in northern Ireland or in south Africa. Your hatred for the snp is irrational and over the top. I would still count them as anti establishment in Scotland. They were taking on the full force of the establishment during the referendum campaign. It's a powerful beast. What "rights" did I have in 1973 (the height of the Troubles) that Roman Catholics didn't have? How did they not have as equal a say in society as I had? How were they unfairly treated in comparison to me? The Civil Rights legislation had all been enacted, and their bete noir - Stormont - had been prorogued. Was murdering people and destroying businesses going to get them even more equal treatment. The Troubles wasn't about Civil Rights by then, it was about a United Ireland. (Had the Provos succeeded in their quest, the united Ireland they intended to create may not have to the liking of the southerners either, never mind what northern protestants remained.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co.Down Hibee Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: What "rights" did I have in 1973 (the height of the Troubles) that Roman Catholics didn't have? How did they not have as equal a say in society as I had? How were they unfairly treated in comparison to me? The Civil Rights legislation had all been enacted, and their bete noir - Stormont - had been prorogued. Was murdering people and destroying businesses going to get them even more equal treatment. The Troubles wasn't about Civil Rights by then, it was about a United Ireland. (Had the Provos succeeded in their quest, the united Ireland they intended to create may not have to the liking of the southerners either, never mind what northern protestants remained.) If they had succeeded in a united Ireland in the 70s I'd say you could be talking about at least doubling the body count in all honesty, that would have been carnage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co.Down Hibee Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Arlene going to the funeral then, in fairness that's a tough call for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 35 minutes ago, Co.Down Hibee said: Arlene going to the funeral then, in fairness that's a tough call for her. Yes, it was the only decision to make, imho, she couldn't have not gone, but it can't sit easy with her. I'm glad I don't have to make decisions like that. "So the sight of the DUP leader attending Mr McGuinness's funeral may be seen as an attempt by Mrs Foster belatedly to make amends. As someone whose father was targeted and whose school bus was blown up by the IRA, it's understandable that Mrs Foster may have had to think hard about this decision." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co.Down Hibee Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 23 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: Yes, it was the only decision to make, imho, she couldn't have not gone, but it can't sit easy with her. I'm glad I don't have to make decisions like that. "So the sight of the DUP leader attending Mr McGuinness's funeral may be seen as an attempt by Mrs Foster belatedly to make amends. As someone whose father was targeted and whose school bus was blown up by the IRA, it's understandable that Mrs Foster may have had to think hard about this decision." Hopefully there'll be no paramilitary trappings at it , has been a few rumours knocking around about flags , emblems and so on but nothing more,the days of the dark glasses and volley of shots are hopefully a thing of the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DI Bruce Robertson Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 the days of the dark glasses and volley of shots are hopefully a thing of the past. It's a funeral, not a Real Madrid training session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 What "rights" did I have in 1973 (the height of the Troubles) that Roman Catholics didn't have? How did they not have as equal a say in society as I had? How were they unfairly treated in comparison to me? The Civil Rights legislation had all been enacted, and their bete noir - Stormont - had been prorogued. Was murdering people and destroying businesses going to get them even more equal treatment. The Troubles wasn't about Civil Rights by then, it was about a United Ireland. (Had the Provos succeeded in their quest, the united Ireland they intended to create may not have to the liking of the southerners either, never mind what northern protestants remained.) You had the rights to jobs that they didn't have. Whether legislation was written or not means nothing if things don't change. Catholics in northern Ireland were still being treated like shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 minute ago, pandarilla said: You had the rights to jobs that they didn't have. Whether legislation was written or not means nothing if things don't change. Catholics in northern Ireland were still being treated like shit. What jobs were those then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 The right to fair treatment by the police has to be a biggie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudder Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Jacksgranda said: What jobs were those then? Jobs with linfield and Glentoran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 26 minutes ago, Mudder said: Jobs with linfield and Glentoran. and a certain Scottish Fitba' team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DI Bruce Robertson Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Ian Paisleys stand in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 28 minutes ago, DI Bruce Robertson said: Ian Paisleys stand in have a greenie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_blueco Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 2 hours ago, pandarilla said: You had the rights to jobs that they didn't have. Whether legislation was written or not means nothing if things don't change. Catholics in northern Ireland were still being treated like shit. Jobs based on religions happened on both sides . Certain companies never employed Catholics whereas on the other side certain companies never employed protestants . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Forever_blueco said: Jobs based on religions happened on both sides . Certain companies never employed Catholics whereas on the other side certain companies never employed protestants . ...and the RoI wasn't exactly the land of milk and honey for Protestants from that sort of standpoint, so it wasn't only an NI thing either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Jobs based on religions happened on both sides . Certain companies never employed Catholics whereas on the other side certain companies never employed protestants . Expert analysis on the subject from Forever Blueco as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Expert whataboutery on the subject from Forever Blueco as usual. Ftfy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Mudder said: Jobs with linfield and Glentoran. FTFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 41 minutes ago, Forever_blueco said: Jobs based on religions happened on both sides . Certain companies never employed Catholics whereas on the other side certain companies never employed protestants . When one mob has controlled society for a couple of hundred years and engineered circumstances to continue to be in their favour you'll find they're generally in a better position to hand out jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, The OP said: When one mob has controlled society for a couple of hundred years and engineered circumstances to continue to be in their favour you'll find they're generally in a better position to hand out jobs. Amen tae that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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