Polling: 2017 General Election, Council Elections and Independence

[Detournement]

1 minute ago, Tibbermoresaint said:

Shooting estate owners gets my vote.

That's nice.

[BawWatchin]

Talks socialism.... but wants to protect them big estate owners.

The only people that "own" anything under socialism are the government m8.

[Detournement]

1 minute ago, MixuFixit said:


Shite state of affairs eh. I'm never going to be willing to trade 5-10 year stints of socialism before the Tories get in and undo it all for independence. 

At no point have Labour's achievements been undone. People rely on the NHS, people live in the homes built by the state (even if they are now privately owned), the welfare state has been decimated but it's still a lifeline. More achievements along those lines are still possible.

[Detournement]

1 minute ago, MixuFixit said:

C'mon man.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jun/20/dwp-followed-policy-in-denying-dying-man-stephen-smith-benefits-finds-review

I agree things like that are a disgrace but it's possible that it could have been the norm now had political history been different. That it isn't is down to the working class movement that went from workhouses to the welfare in a little over a century.

Do you not think that's a good reason to vote for a party of the left with a chance of holding power though?

 

[BawWatchin]

2 minutes ago, Detournement said:

I agree things like that are a disgrace but it's possible that it could have been the norm now had political history been different. That it isn't is down to the working class movement that went from workhouses to the welfare in a little over a century.

Do you not think that's a good reason to vote for a party of the left with a chance of holding power though?

Labour aren't on the left, they aren't on the right, they aren't in the centre. They don't know where they are, they just know where they're not and that's in government.

[git-intae-thum]

1 hour ago, Detournement said:

Because voting red in the 20th century achieved nothing

Well.....due to labour lies and cover ups it did deny us 40 years of oil wealth and the chance to be as rich as Norway I suppose.

[BawWatchin]

13 minutes ago, git-intae-thum said:

Well.....due to labour lies and cover ups it did deny us 40 years of oil wealth and the chance to be as rich as Norway I suppose.

They achieved a wealthy middle england at the expense of Scotlands resources. We should all be very thankful.

[jakedee]

Because voting red in the 20th century achieved nothing [emoji1]

Achievements like illegal wars and failure to reform Tory anti union legislation are not really worth crowing about.

[LongTimeLurker]

The appalling era was what followed under Maggie T. Deliberately engineered mass unemployment and deindustrialisation to put the plebs back in their place.

[Baxter Parp]

38 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

What on earth are you wittering on about?

The 70's were extremely difficult and most people had very little spare at the end of the week.

Most of us remember the struggle. It was an appalling era.

What age are you?

I'm 55, bub.

[Baxter Parp]

2 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

The appalling era was what followed under Maggie T. Deliberately engineered mass unemployment and deindustrialisation to put the plebs back in their place.

This is true, I suspect Oaksoft is confused.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

That's not the 70s I remember - the 80s - yes.

[Tibbermoresaint]

53 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

What on earth are you wittering on about?

The 70's were extremely difficult and most people had very little spare at the end of the week.

Most of us remember the struggle. It was an appalling era.

What age are you?

Nonsense. 

[git-intae-thum]

The 70's were a golden era for rock. But they were not a golden era.

I remember fetching the candles out the cupboard for ma maw an da as the power went off....again.

I don't remember but have since learned that the UK was broke and had to be bailed out by the IMF.

Everything was not rosy under labour. They fucked the economy worse then than they did under Blair and Brown. The economy did require a solution.

They found our oil. They hid it's wealth.

Unfortunately we then got Thatcherism.

Wealth for Southern England....paid for by our oil .But things got worse for people in Scotland. Much worse. And kept getting worse as we trotted out every GE and voted for 50 chumps in red rosettes.  Meanwhile the South loyally backed their Maggie.

Never again. 

 

[John Lambies Doos]

The 70's were a golden era for rock. But they were not a golden era.
I remember fetching the candles out the cupboard for ma maw an da as the power went off....again.
I don't remember but have since learned that the UK was broke and had to be bailed out by the IMF.
Everything was not rosy under labour. They fucked the economy worse then than they did under Blair and Brown. The economy did require a solution.
They found our oil. They hid it's wealth.
Unfortunately we then got Thatcherism.
Wealth for Southern England....paid for by our oil .But things got worse for people in Scotland. Much worse. And kept getting worse as we trotted out every GE and voted for 50 chumps in red rosettes.  Meanwhile the South loyally backed their Maggie.
Never again. 
 

This is a good post.

[Baxter Parp]

The 70's were a golden era for rock. But they were not a golden era.
I remember fetching the candles out the cupboard for ma maw an da as the power went off....again.
I don't remember but have since learned that the UK was broke and had to be bailed out by the IMF.
Everything was not rosy under labour. They fucked the economy worse then than they did under Blair and Brown. The economy did require a solution.
They found our oil. They hid it's wealth.
Unfortunately we then got Thatcherism.
Wealth for Southern England....paid for by our oil .But things got worse for people in Scotland. Much worse. And kept getting worse as we trotted out every GE and voted for 50 chumps in red rosettes.  Meanwhile the South loyally backed their Maggie.
Never again. 
 

Nobody said everything was rosy. As for the IMF, debt is far worse now but nobody seems to care. I remember the outrage as the balance of exports slipped below imports and unemployment hit 1m. I remember the three day week and power cuts being the result of Tory policies. I remember the inflation that was due to the oil crisis and was blamed on the workers wanting wages to match. It's still not as bad as people say it was.

[jakedee]

Nobody said everything was rosy. As for the IMF, debt is far worse now but nobody seems to care. I remember the outrage as the balance of exports slipped below imports and unemployment hit 1m. I remember the three day week and power cuts being the result of Tory policies. I remember the inflation that was due to the oil crisis and was blamed on the workers wanting wages to match. It's still not as bad as people say it was.

The power cuts,3 day weeks, bins not being emptied,dead not being buried etc was a result of "the winter of discontent" Labours screw up of the economy which opened the door for Thatcher and her disastrous tenure.

[Baxter Parp]

The power cuts,3 day weeks, bins not being emptied,dead not being buried etc was a result of "the winter of discontent" Labours screw up of the economy which opened the door for Thatcher and her disastrous tenure.

The power cuts and three day week was in the early seventies under the Tory Heath government. The Winter of Discontent was in '78 under the Labour Callaghan government.

[sophia]

1 hour ago, Baxter Parp said:

2 hours ago, git-intae-thum said:

The 70's were a golden era for rock. But they were not a golden era.
I remember fetching the candles out the cupboard for ma maw an da as the power went off....again.
I don't remember but have since learned that the UK was broke and had to be bailed out by the IMF.
Everything was not rosy under labour. They fucked the economy worse then than they did under Blair and Brown. The economy did require a solution.
They found our oil. They hid it's wealth.
Unfortunately we then got Thatcherism.
Wealth for Southern England....paid for by our oil .But things got worse for people in Scotland. Much worse. And kept getting worse as we trotted out every GE and voted for 50 chumps in red rosettes.  Meanwhile the South loyally backed their Maggie.
Never again. 
 

Nobody said everything was rosy. As for the IMF, debt is far worse now but nobody seems to care. I remember the outrage as the balance of exports slipped below imports and unemployment hit 1m. I remember the three day week and power cuts being the result of Tory policies. I remember the inflation that was due to the oil crisis and was blamed on the workers wanting wages to match. It's still not as bad as people say it was.

That's not my recollection.

 

Dennis Healey had to go to the IMF to get enough cash to pay the bills.

The narrative was that he had to get a bail-out was scandalous and humiliating.

 

The internecine war in the Labour Party was never ending and whilst they were fighting, the country was a shambles.

 Just as well things have changed!

 

Edited June 21, 2019 by sophia
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[Baxter Parp]

That's not my recollection.
 
Dennis Healey had to go to the IMF to get enough cash to pay the bills.
The narrative was that he had to get a bail-out was scandalous and humiliating.
 
The internecine war in the Labour Party was never ending and whilst they were fighting, the country was a shambles.
 Just as well things have changed!
 

The loan was 1.7bn and it was repaid by 1979. It was needed primarily because they couldn't get a public expenditure bill through the commons. The narrative was set by the newspapers.