New clubs in the East of Scotland

[The clean living guy]

7 minutes ago, Robert James said:

Tynecastle's move to a new ground for next season, should relieve some of the pressure on LTHV's ground

How far away from licencing will tynecastle be? The ground shouldn't be a problem. 

[kefc]

4 hours ago, Rooster20 said:

Anybody heard anything about increased Promotion places for next year? 0.5 up from potentially 32+ teams seems ridiculous.

There will be 2 promotion places although not confirmed yet.

[bendan]

19 minutes ago, kefc said:

There will be 2 promotion places although not confirmed yet.

If there were two promotion places to the LL available, would that mean one each for EoS and SoS? You'd hope there was a way of ensuring the stronger teams went up, but the SoS will look very weak compared to the EoS.

[Robert James]

On 22/05/2018 at 18:03, Cumbo said:

My club Jeanfield are keen to join pyramid and had planned to apply for start of 2019/2020 season.

We are currently south of the line (just) but rumours that the line may be moving further south.

Ideally we would be in EOS as road links from Perth southbound are better than those going North.

Has anyone else heard this about the boundary line?

Have you asked the EoSL hierarchy whether or not they would accept a Perth club ?

[Robert James]

22 hours ago, Ginaro said:

St Andrews meeting tonight, Newtongrange meeting tomorrow so could easily be 32 by the deadline. Wonder if Linlithgow will get an application in and then rubber stamp it at their meeting on the 4th. When is the EoS AGM?

Any news from the St Andrews meeting last night ?

[kefc]

8 minutes ago, bendan said:

If there were two promotion places to the LL available, would that mean one each for EoS and SoS? You'd hope there was a way of ensuring the stronger teams went up, but the SoS will look very weak compared to the EoS.

I believe the 2 promotion places proposal will be done so 2 EOS clubs have a chance of promotion.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

I believe the 2 promotion places proposal will be done so 2 EOS clubs have a chance of promotion.

A fair way to do it would be 1st eosl vs 2nd sosl and 1st sosl vs 2nd eosl in a play off!

[never been to scotland]

4 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

A fair way to do it would be 1st eosl vs 2nd sosl and 1st sosl vs 2nd eosl in a play off!

It'd be better just to have the EOSL winners go up automatically and have the SOSL champs play the EOSL runners up. This would acknowledge the fact the EOSL is stronger and also avoid the possible ludicrous scenario of two runners up being promoted ahead of the champions.

[bendan]

26 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

A fair way to do it would be 1st eosl vs 2nd sosl and 1st sosl vs 2nd eosl in a play off!

Could also be a play-off between champions for the first spot, then the losers play the winners of a play-off between runners-up.

Now I type that out, it looks a bit messy!

Edited May 26, 2018 by bendan

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

Wonder what’ll happen when the west league starts up?

[bendan]

14 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Wonder what’ll happen when the west league starts up?

It seems crazy that we could end up with really strong EoS and WoS leagues deemed to be at the same level as the basically amateur SoS. There really needs to be strong, independent leadership from the SFA on determining levels/boundaries etc in an evolving situation.

Edited May 26, 2018 by bendan

[GNU_Linux]

My assumption is there'd be a west wide league tier 6 made up of both west juniors & some SOS clubs. Tier 7 would see an SOSL for D&G clubs plus a division for the clubs elsewhere in the west (region which the west juniors cover currently).

[FairWeatherFan]

16 minutes ago, bendan said:

It seems crazy that we could end up with really strong EoS and WoS leagues deemed to be at the same level as the basically amateur SoS. There really needs to be strong, independent leadership from the SFA on determining levels/boundaries etc in an evolving situation.

Since the SoS were the only ones to accept the Juniors entry at tier 6 without conditions, and the fact that they appear to be okay with the EoS taking the lead on setting up a WoS. I think the South will be okay with dropping down a tier, just so long as its members that want to remain tier 6 can do so in the new WoS.

[Robert James]

8 minutes ago, GNU_Linux said:

My assumption is there'd be a west wide league tier 6 made up of both west juniors & some SOS clubs. Tier 7 would see an SOSL for D&G clubs plus a division for the clubs elsewhere in the west (region which the west juniors cover currently).

I agree with your views.

Probably very few SoSFL clubs would wish to join a West pyramid feeder league. However the SFA would at the very least, be obliged to offer the 4** SoSFL licensed clubs the opportunity to join the WoSL , alongside the juniors.

(** according to the SoSFL P&B forum, Wigtown & Bladnoch are returning from abeyance in 2018/19) 

[FairWeatherFan]

16 minutes ago, gogsy said:

Its possible that by the start of 2019/20 season we could have 80-90 teams in the Lowland part of pyramid below SPFL, its also possible the Highland part will still be 18 teams. Thats a bit unbalanced.

It's something that will likely be addressed in some form. Its all rather uncertain as there is also talk of the SPFL changing its format with any new TV deal. So while everyone looks at the current set up and makes adjustments to fit it (like automatic relegation for SPFL 42, introduction of 3 regions at Tier 5). It'll all be dictated by whatever the SPFL do or don't do in 2020.

[Dev]

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Go West!
Stand by for Linlithgow and Bo'ness announcing they are hoping to leave the East Juniors - but not for the East of Scotland League.
Maybe Fauldhouse, Armadale and Whitburn could join them.
Makes sense if they want to remain Junior. Could be ratified at SJFA AGM.

#TJsSuperDooperLeague

 

Reply:

Well this would certainly be better for these two clubs than playing in a much weakened East Region Juniors' Super League. They're not far from Glasgow after all. It would also give them an alternative route into the Pyramid, as put forward by the SJFA.


How would any others remaining in the East Region Juniors cope with the extra travelling, loss of players, etc involved if they, also, decided to switch to the West Region? Or is it just big clubs switching to a #TJsSuperDooperLeague ?


There again, why would less ambitious clubs, wanting to remain Juniors, switch to the West when the SJFA states that the #TJsSuperDooperLeague will be at Tier 5, or is it Tier 6?


Shame about most of remaining clubs, outside those which you mention, in the East Region Juniors. "A ball of confusion" for them. Wonder what they will do now?? There's still time to switch to the Seniors in the EoS. I bet the EoS is grateful that this has leaked out before their dead-line for late applications!


Do you believe that this will go down well with the grassroots support at the clubs mentioned?


What will the big juniors clubs from Ayrshire make of it?


Could this now trigger the next wave of departures from the SJFA? West of Scotland League for 2018/19?


Interesting times.

[bendan]

39 minutes ago, Dev said:

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Go West!
Stand by for Linlithgow and Bo'ness announcing they are hoping to leave the East Juniors - but not for the East of Scotland League.
Maybe Fauldhouse, Armadale and Whitburn could join them.
Makes sense if they want to remain Junior. Could be ratified at SJFA AGM.

#TJsSuperDooperLeague

 

Reply:

Well this would certainly be better for these two clubs than playing in a much weakened East Region Juniors' Super League. They're not far from Glasgow after all. It would also give them an alternative route into the Pyramid, as put forward by the SJFA.


How would any others remaining in the East Region Juniors cope with the extra travelling, loss of players, etc involved if they, also, decided to switch to the West Region? Or is it just big clubs switching to a #TJsSuperDooperLeague ?


There again, why would less ambitious clubs, wanting to remain Juniors, switch to the West when the SJFA states that the #TJsSuperDooperLeague will be at Tier 5, or is it Tier 6?


Shame about most of remaining clubs, outside those which you mention, in the East Region Juniors. "A ball of confusion" for them. Wonder what they will do now?? There's still time to switch to the Seniors in the EoS. I bet the EoS is grateful that this has leaked out before their dead-line for late applications!


Do you believe that this will go down well with the grassroots support at the clubs mentioned?


What will the big juniors clubs from Ayrshire make of it?


Could this now trigger the next wave of departures from the SJFA? West of Scotland League for 2018/19?


Interesting times.

I'd take this with a pinch of salt. The original poster likes to present himself as a voice of authority (and perhaps he is!) but he's been way off in some of his predictions so far in this affair.

[Kilbowie Benches]

Can’t see Linlithgow/Bo’ness playing in Div 2 of the West Juniors.

[Ginaro]

As the only remaining Junior club to the south east of the Forth Bridge this was the obvious choice for Newtongrange:

Bit surprised that they "have set up a working group to examine what we require to do to gain the Licence" - I'd have thought someone at the club would have already looked at the club licensing document to see what was required, especially as they have what looks like an excellent ground. But at least it's another club - I make it 31-27 in favour of the EoS.

[FairWeatherFan]

24 minutes ago, Ginaro said:

As the only remaining Junior club to the south east of the Forth Bridge this was the obvious choice for Newtongrange:

Bit surprised that they "have set up a working group to examine what we require to do to gain the Licence" - I'd have thought someone at the club would have already looked at the club licensing document to see what was required, especially as they have what looks like an excellent ground. But at least it's another club - I make it 31-27 in favour of the EoS.

Going to guess that the working group will be a long term project to investigate what's required, resources that are available to them and then implementing what's required.

EDIT:

If Arniston, Penicuik and St Andrews are taken as official with no public statement that takes the EoS to 32.

Edited May 26, 2018 by FairWeatherFan