Brother Blades Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 30 minutes ago, Jedi said: Massive fleg as the background to the platform....folk behind NS on the platform looking utterly miserable. 'Independence, Independence, Independence.....democracy, blah, blah..Westminster-horrific.' 'Policies?... Don't need any' I did watch the 'speech', and thought that was a fair summary Oh dear, were your wee feelings hurt because Sturgeon mentioned Keith & Labour in her speech 3 times? What a right wee shame for you & the other Tory enablers! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: Untrue, this seems, young ShiteTalker. So she didn't talk about Independence? Did you actually watch it? Or were you too busy furiously clapping along (while looking suitably miserable) at any mere mention of 'Independence' to listen to it? The ShiteTalker today was the Sturge. Ah yes, massive fleg at the SNP Conference = quite right, get it applauded.....fleg at a Labour Conference = right wing racists. Edited October 10, 2022 by Jedi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Brother Blades said: Oh dear, were your wee feelings hurt because Sturgeon mentioned Keith & Labour in her speech 3 times? What a right wee shame for you & the other Tory enablers! Tory enablers= because Nicola said it, its pure true, so it is. Edited October 10, 2022 by Jedi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jedi said: Tory enablers= because Nicola said it, its pure true, so it is. Fair point. Edinburgh and Fife councils it’s the Tories that are Labour enablers, which is different, and much better. I think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 The Labour Party 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sponge rab Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 On 06/10/2022 at 21:30, Boo Khaki said: realise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Just now, Jedi said: Tory enablers= because Nicola said it, its pure true, so it is. No, because the facts clearly demonstrate that Labour under Starmer are enabling the current bunch of Tories to move further & further to the right as they are only concerned at winning the floating red wall voters back, principles be damned! Tories move right & Labour shuffle along behind for fear of being outflanked, only thing is, when your facing as the opposition, to prevent being out flanked by a shift to the right, you defend the left. They are just too thick to realise it! The message Labour need to be screaming to the red wall is - “it wasn’t the immigrants that made your life shite! It’s the bankers, hedge-fund managers, zero hour contract employers, the tax evaders, etc etc” but no, they don’t have the gumption or the balls! f**k Labour! 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sponge rab said: Not enough dugs IMO. But still excellent work! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, Jedi said: So she didn't talk about Independence? Did you actually watch it? Or were you too busy furiously clapping along (while looking suitably miserable) at any mere mention of 'Independence' to listen to it? The ShiteTalker today was the Sturge. Ah yes, massive fleg at the SNP Conference = quite right, get it applauded.....fleg at a Labour Conference = right wing racists. You’ve certainly changed your tune from the reasonable, just-after-debate, mildly-critical-of-the-SNP, just-supportive-of-wee-Sir-Kier approach of recently. Rattled? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 These bankers, hedge fund managers, tax evaders you speak of.....are these similar to the ones which the SNP are very keen to cosy up to? Or are they the ones which Andrew Wilson et al want to see calling the shots in an Independent Scotland? (in order to get that pesky deficit below 3% of GDP by taking an axe to public services), or maybe the ones Kate Forbes means when she talks relentlessly about us needing to unleash the entrepreneurs, the money makers, in utopia? I think they might well be...still. 'Moving to the right' though-cool story. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Antlion said: You’ve certainly changed your tune from the reasonable, just-after-debate, mildly-critical-of-the-SNP, just-supportive-of-wee-Sir-Kier approach of recently. Rattled? Hmmm...unlike yourself I have yet to direct any personal abuse at others on this forum...suggesting that I felt NS was largely 'talking shite' (in response to my being told that's what i do), not quite the same. Again, I know that questioning any of NS's words doesnt fit the narrative/easy life, but there you go. As far as 'debate' goes...still haven't seen any, so might as well join in with the usual chat. Rattled? Clearly as Nicola's speech just changed the whole narrative for me today....she really saw off any opposition there. Edited October 10, 2022 by Jedi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Jedi said: These bankers, hedge fund managers, tax evaders you speak of.....are these similar to the ones which the SNP are very keen to cosy up to? Or are they the ones which Andrew Wilson et al want to see calling the shots in an Independent Scotland? (in order to get that pesky deficit below 3% of GDP by taking an axe to public services), or maybe the ones Kate Forbes means when she talks relentlessly about us needing to unleash the entrepreneurs, the money makers, in utopia? I think they might well be...still. 'Moving to the right' though-cool story. I guess we will find out a week today? You know, when the SNP unveil their new fiscal plan for an independent Scotland, rather than referring back to Andrew Wilson’s plan? It’s a stretch to say Forbes talks “relentlessly” about entrepreneurship, surely? I notice that you’ve not tried to defend the Labour position as regards the red wall? Probably wise. I’ve debated you before & freely admitted that the SNP are a means to an end for me, and I’d guess for the majority of Independence supporters, can’t be sure of that of course, but what I do know is- Scotland has rejected Labour, they just aren’t good enough or forward looking enough for Scotland. Just as a matter of interest, can you name me all the left of centre policies that Labour have? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Brother Blades said: . Just as a matter of interest, can you name me all the left of centre policies that Labour have? Nationalising railways Setting a minimum wage of £15 an hour Ending zero hours contracts Placing a Windfall Tax on Energy Companies Abolishing tuition fees (in England and Wales) and restoring grants End the state taking 50% off mineworkers pension schemes Establishing a National Care Service and proper funding for the NHS Maintaining and ringfencing the top rate of tax for the NHS. Clamping down on tax avoidance by multinationals and offshore investors Repeal anti-trade union legislation National Wealth Fund to provide a start up of £8 billion for renewable energy Aiming to invest in, and create 1 million green jobs A National Energy Company which will reinvest any profits in public expenditure on insulation, green energy, recycling etc. Seriously aiming to achieve net zero by 2030 Insulating all homes which require it across the country to reduce energy bills Ending automatic evictions for rent arrears, and abolish no fault evictions Ending the charity status of private schools, and charging them VAT A domestic abuse register A Hillsborough Law which would hold public bodies accountable in future. A significant increase in social housing stock. ....As a start Edited October 10, 2022 by Jedi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CambieBud Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Brother Blades said: No, because the facts clearly demonstrate that Labour under Starmer are enabling the current bunch of Tories to move further & further to the right as they are only concerned at winning the floating red wall voters back, principles be damned! Tories move right & Labour shuffle along behind for fear of being outflanked, only thing is, when your facing as the opposition, to prevent being out flanked by a shift to the right, you defend the left. They are just too thick to realise it! The message Labour need to be screaming to the red wall is - “it wasn’t the immigrants that made your life shite! It’s the bankers, hedge-fund managers, zero hour contract employers, the tax evaders, etc etc” but no, they don’t have the gumption or the balls! f**k Labour! Post of the day Edited October 10, 2022 by CambieBud 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) Voters in Scotland might think about voting Labour again when Labour stop talking down to them. If every single voter in Scotland at the 2019 election voted in a Labour candidate, the Tories would still have a clear majority in Westminster. Labour quite frankly can get fucked. Edited October 10, 2022 by Jeff Venom 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 35 minutes ago, Jedi said: These bankers, hedge fund managers, tax evaders you speak of.....are these similar to the ones which the SNP are very keen to cosy up to? Or are they the ones which Andrew Wilson et al want to see calling the shots in an Independent Scotland? (in order to get that pesky deficit below 3% of GDP by taking an axe to public services), or maybe the ones Kate Forbes means when she talks relentlessly about us needing to unleash the entrepreneurs, the money makers, in utopia? I think they might well be...still. 'Moving to the right' though-cool story. If we didn't like the way we were being Governed then we would just remove the incumbent Government and vote in an alternative like they do in most Democracies, the difference being that as part of the UK our hands are completely tied and we're stuck with these bloody fascists whether we like it or not. I honestly can't understand why people find this so hard to grasp and instead seem to cling to the idiotic belief that the SNP would somehow become a dictatorship..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 34 minutes ago, Jedi said: Hmmm...unlike yourself I have yet to direct any personal abuse at others on this forum...suggesting that I felt NS was largely 'talking shite' (in response to my being told that's what i do), not quite the same. Again, I know that questioning any of NS's words doesnt fit the narrative/easy life, but there you go. As far as 'debate' goes...still haven't seen any, so might as well join in with the usual chat. Rattled? Clearly as Nicola's speech just changed the whole narrative for me today....she really saw off any opposition there. Excuse me? From what I’ve seen, you keep repeating random bits of “abuse”, none of which have come from me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Jedi said: Nationalising railways Setting a minimum wage of £15 an hour Ending zero hours contracts Placing a Windfall Tax on Energy Companies Abolishing tuition fees (in England and Wales) and restoring grants End the state taking 50% off mineworkers pension schemes Establishing a National Care Service and proper funding for the NHS Maintaining and ringfencing the top rate of tax for the NHS. Clamping down on tax avoidance by multinationals and offshore investors Repeal anti-trade union legislation National Wealth Fund to provide a start up of £8 billion for renewable energy Aiming to invest in, and create 1 million green jobs A National Energy Company which will reinvest any profits in public expenditure on insulation, green energy, recycling etc. Seriously aiming to achieve net zero by 2030 Insulating all homes which require it across the country to reduce energy bills Ending automatic evictions for rent arrears, and abolish no fault evictions Ending the charity status of private schools, and charging them VAT A domestic abuse register A Hillsborough Law which would hold public bodies accountable in future. A significant increase in social housing stock. ....As a start I’ll give you credit for coming up with that list & barring independence, that would be a great move if they all come to fruition under a Labour government. However, - and I hope I’m wrong, really wrong. I can’t see any, other than the domestic abuse register & ending charity status for fee paying schools becoming a reality. Even with their hands tied, the SNP already have a lot of these covered, so your previous accusation of Tartan Tories or whatever phrase you used is pretty lame. I notice, still no defence of the Labour attitude to the red wall? Edited to add- HoL abolition still in their plans? Or have they shat it again on that one? Edited October 10, 2022 by Brother Blades 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Brother Blades said: I’ll give you credit for coming up with that list & barring independence, that would be a great move if they all come to fruition under a Labour government. However, - and I hope I’m wrong, really wrong. I can’t see any, other than the domestic abuse register & ending charity status for fee paying schools becoming a reality. Even with their hands tied, the SNP already have a lot of these covered, so your previous accusation of Tartan Tories or whatever phrase you used is pretty lame. I notice, still no defence of the Labour attitude to the red wall? Nor Brexit. Nor immigration. Despite the gravity of these, we’re meant to just believe the jolly knight is a leftist. Edited October 10, 2022 by Antlion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 23 minutes ago, CambieBud said: Post of the day Thanks, but it’s really not. The below is the best post of the day & factually correct. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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