NotThePars Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 The idea that if you don't believe in god then you must believe in Dawkins is something most 10 year old would laugh at. That said at least Dawkins is real. That's why I qualified it with "atheism that goes beyond saying "I don't believe in a god". People that commit to their atheism along the lines of Ricky Gervais are minters with shit banter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 That's why I qualified it with "atheism that goes beyond saying "I don't believe in a god". People that commit to their atheism along the lines of Ricky Gervais are minters with shit banter. I don't agree. These debates need to be had - but they require a solid level of intelligence, and a fair helping of respect for folk's personal views. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 8 minutes ago, NotThePars said: That's why I qualified it with "atheism that goes beyond saying "I don't believe in a god". People that commit to their atheism along the lines of Ricky Gervais are minters with shit banter. There's a difference between atheism and anti-theism. Ricky Gervais is an anti-theist with not much to back himself up. Somebody like Christopher Hitchens, while often overblown, certainly had the goods to back himself up. And then there's the context. Atheism in the UK is a very different kettle of fish to atheism in the Middle East - as too is secularism. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 I don't agree. These debates need to be had - but they require a solid level of intelligence, and a fair helping of respect for folk's personal views. Of course there's a debate to be had. But the atheist movement has to address the rampant sexism and islamaphobia present in its movement. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 The problem with Dawkins is that some of his more vociferous supporters take everything he says as an unarguable truth, which is exactly the same as the equivalent supporters of God. And indeed those of Ruth Davidson. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 It's the thinking of a 10 year old to not like 2 high profile atheists and therefore criticise anyone who says more than one sentence about it tbh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 There's a difference between atheism and anti-theism. Ricky Gervais is an anti-theist with not much to back himself up. Somebody like Christopher Hitchens, while often overblown, certainly had the goods to back himself up. And then there's the context. Atheism in the UK is a very different kettle of fish to atheism in the Middle East - as too is secularism. Quite. My problem with the "lol sky fairy" nonsense is it's incredibly easy to take a somewhat rational approach to religion when you live in a country where you're never going to be persecuted either violently or otherwise for your beliefs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, NotThePars said: That's why I qualified it with "atheism that goes beyond saying "I don't believe in a god". People that commit to their atheism along the lines of Ricky Gervais are minters with shit banter. It is quite legitimate, and arguably, desirable in certain circumstances to put forward the case for atheism and to challenge religious people. To do so by simply repeating "I don't believe in god" would be even less successful than continually repeating "strong and stable". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 2 hours ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: I'm an atheist. Believe it or not you can defend opinions and views you don't subscribe to... I see a lot of anti religious stuff on here and in society but always directed at safe, soft Christian targets. If you were that concerned about religion you'd raise concerns at others but it never happens. This point only works if you can provide examples of non-Christian religious influence on UK government policy which you believe detrimental to individual rights and society at large. Can you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Of course there's a debate to be had. But the atheist movement has to address the rampant sexism and islamaphobia present in its movement. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Is it islamophobic to suggest that there are religious practices among mainstream Muslims that are more extreme than in other religions? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 23 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Is it islamophobic to suggest that there are religious practices among mainstream Muslims that are more extreme than in other religions? Such as? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Such as? Sharia law? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Donathan said: Sharia law? Would that be considered mainstream? I'm not arguing, I'm just looking for more detail on the point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 What's the position in sharia law on drinking from puddles? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Lol at people thinking I'm the puddle drinking Arbroath fan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 10 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said: Such as? Well, being required to pray five times a day is much more extreme than Christianity's requirements. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Just now, Miguel Sanchez said: Well, being required to pray five times a day is much more extreme than Christianity's requirements. Depends what school you went to, tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Well, being required to pray five times a day is much more extreme than Christianity's requirements. Tell that to the Franciscans 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said: Depends what school you went to, tbh. Catholic Enforcement of participation was not strong 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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