Wee-Bey Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 26 minutes ago, Arab_R_us said: so anybody who dosnt agree with cancelling MM is a Nazi now ? You need to work on your reading comprehension my man. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insert Amusing Pseudonym Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 11 hours ago, Les Cabbage said: Things being a decade ago are maybe a defence for someone that is between the age of 23-30. However Malky Mackay was a 40 year old man, and it wasn’t WhatsApp’s with mates, it was on an official club channel. They spoke about it very well on The Terrace podcast about it. Mackay is the antithesis of David Martindale in this sense, Mackays response to getting found out was to attend a tick box training course, give a half arsed statement saying it was wrong and accused everyone else of being just as bigoted as he is. Martindale however has spoke time and time again about how he’s learned from it, how horrible a thing was that he did, he invests time into helping young people that were like him and show them a better way. Have absolutely no issues with people that want to continue going to Hibs games, some friends will, some family will, me and 2 mates will not for the time while he’s here. However the people leaping to the defence of his behaviour and excusing it are for the watching, especially those that aren’t even Hibs supporters. Michael Stewart made a terrible point (I know, I was shocked too) on Sportsound the other night about how people treated Martindale better than Mackay despite him having done something much worse. Completely missing the point of why people feel inclined to give him a second chance which you've just laid out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arab_R_us Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Insert Amusing Pseudonym said: Michael Stewart made a terrible point (I know, I was shocked too) on Sportsound the other night about how people treated Martindale better than Mackay despite him having done something much worse. Completely missing the point of why people feel inclined to give him a second chance which you've just laid out. not much worse, much much much worse. Bartley was just much much worse. letting him off with a much there. Edited May 17 by Arab_R_us 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrison Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 3 hours ago, Crawford Bridge said: Any chance of a separate Malky Mackay thread? This is just going to go round and round in circles all summer. I'm sorry people talking about your club appointing a homophobic racist annoys you. Am I doing apologies right? 2 hours ago, Arab_R_us said: I'm not defending him at all im just making the point that i dont believe his life should be over because of it, people in football have done much worse and seem to get a pass. Martindale, Bartley etc You've done nothing but defend him for pages and pages now. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Diamond For Me Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 2 hours ago, Arab_R_us said: I'm not defending him at all im just making the point that i dont believe his life should be over because of it, people in football have done much worse and seem to get a pass. Martindale, Bartley etc His life isn't over. He's still alive. He's not in jail, and nobody has called for him to be jailed. He's not been evicted from his home, or reduced to begging on the streets. In fact he's continued to have high-profile jobs, presumably quite well paid, in his chosen career. He's never been sacked because of what he did. All things considered, it's pretty well the opposite of his life being over. He faces continued public criticism and as far as ongoing consequences of his actions are concerned, that's really it. As in most cases of people whining and wheedling about bigots getting "cancelled", there isn't actually any material consequence these people have suffered. It's criticism, it's people choosing not to associate themselves and their businesses with them, it's not actually a "cancellation" in any meaningful sense of the word. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stylish Kid Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 On 16/05/2024 at 12:58, gannonball said: Tbh if he came out and said it was terrible shock factor banter but looking back on them he is absolutely horrified with himself then I think people wouldn't be as objectionable towards him as it's a guy taking responsibility for his actions. But he hasn't, which suggests for me he isn't sorry, he's just sorry it got leaked. Yeah this is broadly what I feel. I'd not actually realised the extent of it. At the time the focus was on "not many white faces in there", or words to that effect which to be fair is fairly factual albeit with an edge. However the monopoly "joke" was absolutely out of order and TBH, only funny if you're racist. I think if he had said something to address it, and even now 10 years on along the lines of - I understand and know what I did was wrong and I apologize for them etc etc it would help 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arab_R_us Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 35 minutes ago, morrison said: I'm sorry people talking about your club appointing a homophobic racist annoys you. Am I doing apologies right? You've done nothing but defend him for pages and pages now. im not defending him as such im just against people getting cancelled for certain things and getting a pass for worse things. Hell im pretty sure Bartley and Martindale have even been on the terrace podcast, so a couple of those guys are hypocrites imo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 On 15/05/2024 at 13:09, Glen Scotia said: Bin Laden was/is extreme but it was used as a point. I guess the closest thing we have in football and something to see the effect of it is, Manchester City and the Saudis. I'd argue that City's popularity has risen since they took over which has also rewarded them with silverware Manchester City aren't owned by Saudis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 5 hours ago, Arab_R_us said: not much worse, much much much worse. Bartley was just much much worse. letting him off with a much there. I've made the point on other threads of the irony of Bartley, who has a conviction for threatening a woman, being made some sort of diversity champion by the SFA. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stylish Kid Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 7 hours ago, Arab_R_us said: im not defending him as such im just against people getting cancelled for certain things and getting a pass for worse things. Hell im pretty sure Bartley and Martindale have even been on the terrace podcast, so a couple of those guys are hypocrites imo Martindale's done his time and has spoken frankly about his regret and how he changed. Bit different 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 7 hours ago, Arab_R_us said: im not defending him as such im just against people getting cancelled for certain things and getting a pass for worse things. Wish you'd get cancelled. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 4 hours ago, Hendo said: I've made the point on other threads of the irony of Bartley, who has a conviction for threatening a woman, being made some sort of diversity champion by the SFA. Some of the posts on Hibs net are a hoot. "We've had...... (list of the various scumbags Hibs have had over the years) and either nobody said a word or they were heros" What's the problem with Malky the homophobic, misogynistic racist? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 7 hours ago, Darren said: Manchester City aren't owned by Saudis. These brown skinned folk are all the same really. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Scotia Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 7 hours ago, Darren said: Manchester City aren't owned by Saudis. Fair point! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staggie1984 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 12 hours ago, Crawford Bridge said: Any chance of a separate Malky Mackay thread? This is just going to go round and round in circles all summer. Get used to it. It used to be a hot topic in any county related thread the whole time he was with us 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wonder Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 I'm against folk getting cancelled! If being appointed the SFA performance director, getting the gig as a premiership manager and then being appointed sporting director of one of the country's biggest (and ugliest) clubs is being cancelled, imagine how far he'd have gone without being a fucking p***k. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sortmeout Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 11 hours ago, Arab_R_us said: im not defending him as such im just against people getting cancelled for certain things and getting a pass for worse things. Hell im pretty sure Bartley and Martindale have even been on the terrace podcast, so a couple of those guys are hypocrites imo I agree with you as a general theme. Look at the boy Gallagher who hit someone over the head with a baseball bat and played for multiple clubs and really got no grief from his clubs fans. Paul McGowan attacked a copper (not 100% sure on the exact details) and I don’t think this was his only offence but I could be wrong, Both of these offences were worse than Mackay’s, in my opinion, and very few people had any issue with these guys being involved in Scottish football. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 6 hours ago, Sortmeout said: I agree with you as a general theme. Look at the boy Gallagher who hit someone over the head with a baseball bat and played for multiple clubs and really got no grief from his clubs fans. Paul McGowan attacked a copper (not 100% sure on the exact details) and I don’t think this was his only offence but I could be wrong, Both of these offences were worse than Mackay’s, in my opinion, and very few people had any issue with these guys being involved in Scottish football. Neither of them was in charge of hiring/firing others. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arab_R_us Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 1 hour ago, RandomGuy. said: Neither of them was in charge of hiring/firing others. so he's allowed to work but just not a good job. So whats the cut off ? Is he allowed to be a bin man ? what about a cleaner ? is an office manager a bridge too far ? or is the salary based ? 20K is ok ? 30k? 40k and above a No No ? Ridiculous argument 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawford Bridge Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 13 hours ago, Staggie1984 said: Get used to it. It used to be a hot topic in any county related thread the whole time he was with us I'm surprised you didn't die of either boredom or blood loss from your bleeding eyes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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