RedRob72 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 You have to look at Sinn Fein’s raisin d’etre. There has never been greater support in the north for a united Ireland. 21% according to a poll in the Independent back in May this year, (Commissioned by the University of Belfast and conducted by Ipsos/MORI) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Reunification is only a matter of time. Those in the republic should get a vote too obviously. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Co.Down Hibee said: They wouldn't. They would. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said: Reunification is only a matter of time. Those in the republic should get a vote too obviously. Should English residents get a vote on Scottish independence? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Should English residents get a vote on Scottish independence? Scotland isn't part of England. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Peppino Impastato said: Scotland isn't part of England. Northern Ireland isn't part of the Republic of Ireland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: Northern Ireland isn't part of the Republic of Ireland. It's an occupied part of Ireland. Everyone in Ireland is entitled to a say. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 1 hour ago, RedRob72 said: 21% according to a poll in the Independent back in May this year, (Commissioned by the University of Belfast and conducted by Ipsos/MORI) There's been others I've seen that are a bit more ominous for Unionism than that, but nothing that suggests UI is in any way imminent or likely to trigger a border poll while the DUP are in coalition. Hopefully we are a Westminster election away from some semblance of sanity where relations with the EU are concerned. Economic meltdown across the British Isles should be a more pressing issue than the location of the national capitals for all but complete cranks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said: It's an occupied part of Ireland. Everyone in Ireland is entitled to a say. A part who in every poll have chosen to stay separate. I don't think everyone in Britain should get a vote on Scottish independence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, welshbairn said: A part who in every poll have chosen to stay separate. I don't think everyone in Britain should get a vote on Scottish independence. It's never been asked. And if you polled everyone in Ireland you'd get a different answer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 56 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said: It's an occupied part of Ireland. Everyone in Ireland is entitled to a say. England might decide a future Independent Scotland is an occupied part of Britain. Now can they get a vote on unification? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 A part who in every poll have chosen to stay separate. I don't think everyone in Britain should get a vote on Scottish independence.Apparently Spain will on Catalonia 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 28 minutes ago, Antiochas III said: England might decide a future Independent Scotland is an occupied part of Britain. Now can they get a vote on unification? That's not true though. We're dealing in facts here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Peppino Impastato said: That's not true though. We're dealing in facts here. Yes - only because we're not independent. It's what they call "what-if" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Just now, Antiochas III said: Yes - only because we're not independent. It's what they call "what-if" I don't even know what you're talking about. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakedee Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Neither party gives a f**k about their electorates, just obsessed with tribal shite. DUP should have campaigned against Brexit, Sinn Fein should have voted in Westminster.Could this be one of the reasons the Torys are dragging their heels over proxy voting ? Allowing Sinn Fein a proxy vote would screw their £1bn majority. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Doubt it. Even a proxy vote is participation rather than abstentionism. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 11 hours ago, jakedee said: 17 hours ago, welshbairn said: Neither party gives a f**k about their electorates, just obsessed with tribal shite. DUP should have campaigned against Brexit, Sinn Fein should have voted in Westminster. Could this be one of the reasons the Torys are dragging their heels over proxy voting ? Allowing Sinn Fein a proxy vote would screw their £1bn majority. I’d imagine the Sinn Fein MPs would still have to take the oath of loyalty (or whatever the official term is) before even being allowed a proxy vote so it would be irrelevant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 They still need to turn up and swear in to get a proxy. And proxy voting would presumably come with conditions eg maternity, bereavement, illness. Otherwise you would have arseholes using it so they can concentrate on their legal practice or attend a conference in Tahiti. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakedee Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 I’d imagine the Sinn Fein MPs would still have to take the oath of loyalty (or whatever the official term is) before even being allowed a proxy vote so it would be irrelevant. Turn up, cross your fingers when taking the oath, and have the opportunity to f#@k this Government up at every turn. Sinn Fein really are missing a trick here. And they get to sit next to their DUP chums. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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