Goalie Hamish Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 So where does this leave Johnstones comments in the paper about having a plan and being in discussions etc when responding to the BSC proposal.Did the SFA fire a shotgun through his proposals ???? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, Goalie Hamish said: So where does this leave Johnstones comments in the paper about having a plan and being in discussions etc when responding to the BSC proposal. Did the SFA fire a shotgun through his proposals Spat peas through it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, stanley said: Yes but if they became licensed and got promoted, they would be in the Scottish Cup each season automatically as well. They'd also start in the first round rather than in the preliminary rounds (where they could easily have to play junior sides). Lowland League would give them far more opportunities. Playing against bigger clubs with more fans (than the EoS, not claiming there are huge fanbases) and would give them a wider exposure. They've clearly demonstrated over the years that they are very capable of doing well in the Lowland League. I don't understand the argument that they would prefer to stay in the EoS. Other than the potential financial costs of bringing Saughton up to the required standard. No arguing wi ye its just they certainly are taking their time (far longer than the rest of us) and getting away wi it tho. Their team has been superb for years but just wonder would they be that great having to fork oot on a license? Edited January 7, 2018 by newcastle broon 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanley Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 29 minutes ago, newcastle broon said: No arguing wi ye its just they certainly are taking their time (far longer than the rest of us) and getting away wi it tho. Their team has been superb for years but just wonder would they be that great having to fork oot on a license? I agree that it's taking a long time. It's disappointing and they are likely to, at some point, start blocking teams getting promoted. Could even be Kelty Hearts this season but hopefully they win the league and it's not an issue. That's why I advocate allowing the highest placed licensed team up as long as they finish in the top 3 (for example) of the league. Hopefully they do it one day as it would be interesting to see how they could do in the Lowland League. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 WHat I want to know is how Burnieman knows what went on in this meeting. You did the same thing regarding the Junior fixtures at xmas and actually got it wrong. You have an agenda against SJFA. All the clubs that want to go seems to only be one or two. Dalkeith aren't even in the Super League. You seem to hang on to every small fact to spin it your way which is not helping the cause. The Only way forward is overall change. Teams jumping in to the mess that is there is a joke unless you are pretty sure you can get your license. Overall change is needed with 16 team Lowland League. A Northern Premier (including Junior clubs from tayside) feeder to highland league. For me it would be crazy to have Broughty etc going to Tweedmouth etc. EOSFL a merger of EOSFL and East Juniors. Creation of WOSFL merge with the SOSFL if they want to come in a lower league and be happy with their own regional set up below west if not could continue on their own. It really isn't hard but we as a nation like to make things hard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Hamish Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 WHat I want to know is how Burnieman knows what went on in this meeting. You did the same thing regarding the Junior fixtures at xmas and actually got it wrong. You have an agenda against SJFA. All the clubs that want to go seems to only be one or two. Dalkeith aren't even in the Super League. You seem to hang on to every small fact to spin it your way which is not helping the cause. The Only way forward is overall change. Teams jumping in to the mess that is there is a joke unless you are pretty sure you can get your license. Overall change is needed with 16 team Lowland League. A Northern Premier (including Junior clubs from tayside) feeder to highland league. For me it would be crazy to have Broughty etc going to Tweedmouth etc. EOSFL a merger of EOSFL and East Juniors. Creation of WOSFL merge with the SOSFL if they want to come in a lower league and be happy with their own regional set up below west if not could continue on their own. It really isn't hard but we as a nation like to make things hard Wow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Just now, Goalie Hamish said: Oh FFS, which part of the Xmas fixture news did I get wrong exactly? Somebody appears to be using multiple usernames. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Goalie Hamish said: Wow. ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Somebody appears to be using multiple usernames. Haha. HE accused the SJFA of teams not being allowed to play friendlies over xmas. When it was only the Saturdays they weren't allowed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Hamish Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 ? Wow as in yes it's easy to change Scottish fitba but do you really believe that will happen? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Goalie Hamish said: Wow as in yes it's easy to change Scottish fitba but do you really believe that will happen? unfortunately no 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Hamish Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Somebody appears to be using multiple usernames. [emoji4] Who, Alan? I thought he was referring to me as I made several comments on Xmas fixtures. Someone else also accused me of having an agenda, which is rubbish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Hamish Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 unfortunately no Lowland League is slowly getting better and from what I've seen of BSC, EK and even Colts over the last 6 months they're as good as top Junior clubs and they're getting the SFA money. They won't change to accommodate Junior clubs, they don't need to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 On 06/01/2018 at 12:29, Marshmallo said: A separate issue is that the LL and HL are too big, some real dross at the bottom of both. 14 in each would be a good number if clubs were then put into a national non-league Scottish Cup. To be fair, this would surely be less of an issue if every single non-league club in Scotland was involved in the pyramid, certainly in the Lowland level at least. If you mixed the best teams from the West and East Superleagues with the top few in the Lowland League that would be a really strong and competitive division. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 To be fair, this would surely be less of an issue if every single non-league club in Scotland was involved in the pyramid, certainly in the Lowland level at least. If you mixed the best teams from the West and East Superleagues with the top few in the Lowland League that would be a really strong and competitive division. I agree but we're nowhere near that happening. Can only use the current state as a starting point. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Hamish Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 To be fair, this would surely be less of an issue if every single non-league club in Scotland was involved in the pyramid, certainly in the Lowland level at least. If you mixed the best teams from the West and East Superleagues with the top few in the Lowland League that would be a really strong and competitive division. It would be a real cracking league if we could get to that but reading this thread the last few weeks I'm having ma doubts it will ever happen, especially if the story about last week's meeting is true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwl123 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Im a massive fan of non-league football in all its forms - senior, junior, amateur, welfare - you name it but the times they are a changing to quote a certain musician poet. Im sure this has been mentioned in some form or other but i would like to see the Scottish football system re-organised to suit the geography of the country. Don't forget we only have 20+ full time clubs in operation with the vast majority playing part time football and being asked to commit to long mid week journeys in all sorts of weathers. Im suggesting we re-organise the leagues into a more regional system to accommodate the level of football we are currently playing as follows: Level 1 - Premiership - 12 clubs/split after 33/38 games total/relegation playoffs as at present Level 2 - Championship - 12 clubs/split after 22 or 33 games/32 or 38 games total/promotion and relegation play offs as at present - relegation to L1N or L1S Level 3 - National League 1 North - 12 clubs/split after 22 games/32 games total/promotion and relegation to LLE, LLW or HL as appropriate Level 3 - National League 1 South - 12 clubs/split after 22 games/32 games total/promotion and relegation to LLE, LLW or HL as appropriate Level 4 - Lowland League West - 12 clubs/split after 22 games/32 games total or 16 clubs playing 30 games depending on uptake Level 4 - Lowland League East - 12 clubs/split after 22 games/32 games total or 16 clubs playing 30 games depending on uptake Level 4 - Highland League - 12 clubs/split after 22 games/32 games total or 16 clubs playing 30 games depending on uptake winners of LLW, LLE, HL plus bottom clubs in L1N and L1S fight it out for 2 places in national leagues at national 3 level. Level 5 - Feeder Leagues to LLW and LLE - EoSL/SoSL/West and East juniors as appropriate Level 5 - Feeder Leagues to HL - North Caley and North Juniors as appropriate The above proposal increases the current SPFL membership to 48 by including 3 clubs each from current LL and HL. By adding a new lowland League west it gives opportunity for junior clubs to join pyramid on an equal footing with current senior 'non-league' clubs. League Cup limited to clubs in levels 1,2 and 3. Challenge cup limited to levels 2, 3 and 4 plus invited extras. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, dwl123 said: Im a massive fan of non-league football in all its forms - senior, junior, amateur, welfare - you name it but the times they are a changing to quote a certain musician poet. Im sure this has been mentioned in some form or other but i would like to see the Scottish football system re-organised to suit the geography of the country. Don't forget we only have 20+ full time clubs in operation with the vast majority playing part time football and being asked to commit to long mid week journeys in all sorts of weathers. Im suggesting we re-organise the leagues into a more regional system to accommodate the level of football we are currently playing as follows: Level 1 - Premiership - 12 clubs/split after 33/38 games total/relegation playoffs as at present Level 2 - Championship - 12 clubs/split after 22 or 33 games/32 or 38 games total/promotion and relegation play offs as at present - relegation to L1N or L1S Level 3 - National League 1 North - 12 clubs/split after 22 games/32 games total/promotion and relegation to LLE, LLW or HL as appropriate Level 3 - National League 1 South - 12 clubs/split after 22 games/32 games total/promotion and relegation to LLE, LLW or HL as appropriate Level 4 - Lowland League West - 12 clubs/split after 22 games/32 games total or 16 clubs playing 30 games depending on uptake Level 4 - Lowland League East - 12 clubs/split after 22 games/32 games total or 16 clubs playing 30 games depending on uptake Level 4 - Highland League - 12 clubs/split after 22 games/32 games total or 16 clubs playing 30 games depending on uptake winners of LLW, LLE, HL plus bottom clubs in L1N and L1S fight it out for 2 places in national leagues at national 3 level. Level 5 - Feeder Leagues to LLW and LLE - EoSL/SoSL/West and East juniors as appropriate Level 5 - Feeder Leagues to HL - North Caley and North Juniors as appropriate The above proposal increases the current SPFL membership to 48 by including 3 clubs each from current LL and HL. By adding a new lowland League west it gives opportunity for junior clubs to join pyramid on an equal footing with current senior 'non-league' clubs. League Cup limited to clubs in levels 1,2 and 3. Challenge cup limited to levels 2, 3 and 4 plus invited extras. Fine, if we were starting from scratch now, but we're not. Present league one and two clubs won't go for regional football and the pro clubs at level 2 would want a national feeder to fall into. Edited January 7, 2018 by Sergeant Wilson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Hamish Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 13 minutes ago, dwl123 said: Im a massive fan of non-league football in all its forms - senior, junior, amateur, welfare - you name it but the times they are a changing to quote a certain musician poet. Im sure this has been mentioned in some form or other but i would like to see the Scottish football system re-organised to suit the geography of the country. Don't forget we only have 20+ full time clubs in operation with the vast majority playing part time football and being asked to commit to long mid week journeys in all sorts of weathers. Im suggesting we re-organise the leagues into a more regional system to accommodate the level of football we are currently playing as follows: Level 1 - Premiership - 12 clubs/split after 33/38 games total/relegation playoffs as at present Level 2 - Championship - 12 clubs/split after 22 or 33 games/32 or 38 games total/promotion and relegation play offs as at present - relegation to L1N or L1S Level 3 - National League 1 North - 12 clubs/split after 22 games/32 games total/promotion and relegation to LLE, LLW or HL as appropriate Level 3 - National League 1 South - 12 clubs/split after 22 games/32 games total/promotion and relegation to LLE, LLW or HL as appropriate Level 4 - Lowland League West - 12 clubs/split after 22 games/32 games total or 16 clubs playing 30 games depending on uptake Level 4 - Lowland League East - 12 clubs/split after 22 games/32 games total or 16 clubs playing 30 games depending on uptake Level 4 - Highland League - 12 clubs/split after 22 games/32 games total or 16 clubs playing 30 games depending on uptake winners of LLW, LLE, HL plus bottom clubs in L1N and L1S fight it out for 2 places in national leagues at national 3 level. Level 5 - Feeder Leagues to LLW and LLE - EoSL/SoSL/West and East juniors as appropriate Level 5 - Feeder Leagues to HL - North Caley and North Juniors as appropriate The above proposal increases the current SPFL membership to 48 by including 3 clubs each from current LL and HL. By adding a new lowland League west it gives opportunity for junior clubs to join pyramid on an equal footing with current senior 'non-league' clubs. League Cup limited to clubs in levels 1,2 and 3. Challenge cup limited to levels 2, 3 and 4 plus invited extras. Wow again. Looks great but I hate 12 team leagues not that it would ever happen 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garret Deasy Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 8 hours ago, newcastle broon said: LTHV imo are playing the system. They've had plenty chances at getting licensed. They seem happy wi the team being competitive on the park where they are but don't seem in a hurry off it? Are they any further forward licensewise? LTHV are NOT playing 'the system'. At least not the one invented by THE SFA. Their main focus is in developing youngsters to be better footballers and better people. The principles of their coaching approach is far superior to anything coming out of the SFA or the Acadamies. Just ask Man City, Arsenal and other English Premiership clubs who have been there to see for themselves. As kids make their move to the senior game HV's preferred route is going down south. Too many bad experieces with the SPFL rogues. The 'inducements' from the SFA for them to play the pyramid system were financially attractive, but HV stood by what they believed it, and still believe in. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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