The Celtic All Seasons thread

[Dons_1988]

Safety concerns 

[LuboMoravcik]

Personally I can't wait until we hear the end of this allocation nonsense. One of the most tedious standoffs ever.

[gannonball]

9 minutes ago, LuboMoravcik said:

Personally I can't wait until we hear the end of this allocation nonsense. One of the most tedious standoffs ever.

This, what a fucking shitstorm Odsonne Edouard has caused.

Edited October 20, 2023 by gannonball

[AJF]

14 minutes ago, Jinky67 said:

And you already know the reasons as to why Celtic won’t take or offer an allocation due to fears over fan safety at both grounds or is keeping fans safe not considered reasonable because this is exactly the point Celtic will leverage and if Police Scotland have a say, which they likely do, they will also be very likely to concur with Celtic as it puts pressure on them too.

You can moan about it all you like or complain about views being incompatible but f**k all is going to happen until Rangers themselves start being reasonable. 

The safety concerns are a cop out. As you say, a way to try and leverage to get what they want.

How can Celtic facilitate the safety of 700 Aberdeen fans visiting Celtic Park, as an example, but they can’t do the same for 700 Rangers fans? 

[AJF]

16 minutes ago, kingjoey said:

Neither Celtic nor Rangers are going to accept a set percentage for away fans, unless that percentage is around 1%.

I agree. Which is why it’ll be interesting to see if Celtic do genuinely support that position if it comes down to a vote. Or, we will see if it’s just a way to stamp their feet about Rangers/Celtic allocations.

[Jinky67]

11 minutes ago, bennett said:

 

They want 8000, they're not getting 8000 so they'll manufacture concerns about safety to try to force the issue.

 

 

 

Not manufactured mate, there have been fans and staff bottled inside the grounds. That seems a legitimate safety concern don’t you?

And yes we won’t get 8000 but there doesn’t seem to be a reason why you can’t offer a similar allocation that you do in Europe which is something like 2500-3000?

The full pantomime is tedious as f**k, we all want to be at games but the silly position Rangers have taken here fucks us all so until they soften this is our reality.

 

[Jinky67]

7 minutes ago, AJF said:

The safety concerns are a cop out. As you say, a way to try and leverage to get what they want.

How can Celtic facilitate the safety of 700 Aberdeen fans visiting Celtic Park, as an example, but they can’t do the same for 700 Rangers fans? 

Do you honestly think the same police presence is required to police 700 Aberdeen fans at Celtic Park? We don’t have to cordon off parts of the stadium to allow them safe entry and exit either.

And that’s without stating the obvious that a Celtic Aberdeen fixture isn’t going to generate the same hate that causes the fuds in the support to start launching shit at each other. Our fans let themselves down in this fixture repeatedly, something that doesn’t tend to happen with other supports

That’s a silly comparison mate

Edited October 20, 2023 by Jinky67

[stressball]

54 minutes ago, bennett said:

 

"The home club must make provision for for the admission of such reasonable numbers of visiting supporters at every home league match" Rules are rules and Rangers will ensure that the rules are adhered,  just like we recently did with the Spfl.

 

 

 

 

 

If only you had ensured the rules were followed in 2012, eh?

[Dons_1988]

Id be raging if Aberdeen started refusing tickets at ibrox on my behalf, citing ‘safety concerns’.

 

 

[AJF]

4 minutes ago, Jinky67 said:

Do you honestly think the same police presence is required to police 700 Aberdeen fans at Celtic Park? We don’t have to cordon off parts of the stadium to allow them safe entry and exit either.

And that’s without stating the obvious that a Celtic Aberdeen fixture isn’t going to generate the same hate that causes the fuds in the support to start launching shit at each other. 

But that brings us back to the crux of the matter.

Celtic are well within their rights to refuse to take an allocation at Ibrox if they have safety concerns. No issues with that.

However, they are not within their rights to refuse to make an away allocation available at Celtic Park for Rangers fans.

It’s up to Rangers if they would like to refuse the allocation (as they did last season to “reciprocate”)

This is obviously speculation at this point, but Celtic will be categorically in the wrong if they refuse to do so.

Edited October 20, 2023 by AJF

[Jinky67]

16 minutes ago, AJF said:

But that brings us back to the crux of the matter.

Celtic are well within their rights to refuse to take an allocation at Ibrox if they have safety concerns. No issues with that.

However, they are not within their rights to refuse to make an away allocation available at Celtic Park for Rangers fans.

It’s up to Rangers if they would like to refuse the allocation.

This is obviously speculation at this point, but Celtic will be categorically in the wrong if they refuse to do so.

Then I guess you wait and see what the powers that be say don’t you? 

[bennett]

3 minutes ago, Jinky67 said:

Then I guess you wait and see what the powers that be say don’t you? 

I'm sure that Peter will be fair and balanced. 

[DukDukGoose]

44 minutes ago, Jinky67 said:

Not sure that’s accurate considering the club have been pretty vocal about seeing the old allocations return but I do agree they aren’t going offer Aberdeen 8000 away tickets either. 

I imagine it would be something around a set % given against the number of season ticket holders the visiting side has with some sort of ceiling set based on the capacity of the ground 

[AJF]

7 minutes ago, Jinky67 said:

Then I guess you wait and see what the powers that be say don’t you? 

Of course. What will be, will be and all that. I just felt it was topical given Rodgers’ comments.

[AJF]

2 minutes ago, DukDukGoose said:

“It’s a standardised percentage… but we’d like to propose caveats to that standardised percentage that means it isn’t actually standardised and in fact only benefits us”.

[Dons_1988]

4 minutes ago, AJF said:

“It’s a standardised percentage… but we’d like to propose caveats to that standardised percentage that means it isn’t actually standardised and in fact only benefits us”.

Stunned at this revelation. Stunned. 

[MazzyStar]

This is all really, really interesting. It must be so exciting being a Celtic fan. 

[Jinky67]

22 minutes ago, AJF said:

“It’s a standardised percentage… but we’d like to propose caveats to that standardised percentage that means it isn’t actually standardised and in fact only benefits us”.

A percentage is a standard  

 

25 minutes ago, AJF said:

Of course. What will be, will be and all that. I just felt it was topical given Rodgers’ comments.

It’s a topical subject. There seems to be this desire to reduce allocations as a sort of get it up ye when all it does is more harm than good. We were boasting about our league being the best supported per capita in Europe but with rising ticket prices and reduced allocations that’s going to be undone.

But imagine wanting to see full stadiums and healthy away supports, who’d be that guy eh? 

[Jinky67]

1 hour ago, Dons_1988 said:

Safety concerns 

 

1 hour ago, Dons_1988 said:

Id be raging if Aberdeen started refusing tickets at ibrox on my behalf, citing ‘safety concerns’.

 

 

 

26 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:

Stunned at this revelation. Stunned. 

Yer trying hard, it deserves some acknowledgment I suppose 

Edited October 20, 2023 by Jinky67

[AJF]

9 minutes ago, Jinky67 said:

A percentage is a standard  

 

It’s a topical subject. There seems to be this desire to reduce allocations as a sort of get it up ye when all it does is more harm than good. We were boasting about our league being the best supported per capita in Europe but with rising ticket prices and reduced allocations that’s going to be undone.

But imagine wanting to see full stadiums and healthy away supports, who’d be that guy eh? 

I’ve already agreed numerous times in the past though that I think it was the wrong decision for Rangers to reduce the allocation for Celtic.

It’s therefore consistent that I think it would be wrong for Celtic to break the rules by not allowing any away fans at all.