welshbairn Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 It wasn't all hard work and extermination. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Menzel Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 26 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: Did this not lead to Stalin? Saying this is like saying WW1 led to Hitler: it was far more complex than that. I think it was clear that Lenin opposed Stalin and the direction in which he wanted to take the Party, nd I'd argue that history has validated Lenin's misgivings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Lenin needed Stalin to make him look cuddly, he was just as ruthless but got others to do the dirty work. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 Did this not lead to Stalin? Bismarck led to Hitler but it doesn't stop old Otto V from being a top boy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Lenin was a top boi who saved millions of Russian lives by withdrawing them from a pointless and horrific battle between scummy empires. Trotsky was alright. Stalin was a bellend. Russia has gone backwards since Communism ended, though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Lenin was a top boi who saved millions of Russian lives by withdrawing them from a pointless and horrific battle between scummy empires. Instead they had a civil war that lasted till 1922 with up to 10 million casualties. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menzel Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 14 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Instead they had a civil war that lasted till 1922 with up to 10 million casualties. Which is, of course, no fault of the revolutionary movement; unless people shouldn't try to liberate themselves because it's opposed by imperialists. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Quite. Blaming the Bolsheviks for the Russian Civil War is like blaming black people for the Ku Klux Klan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 welshbairn is a liberal stooge of the imperialist state. Unsurprising he would misrepresent the glorious revolution of the workers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 12 minutes ago, Menzel said: Which is, of course, no fault of the revolutionary movement; unless people shouldn't try to liberate themselves because it's opposed by imperialists. Not sure who actually got liberated given what came after. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menzel Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 You understand that's not how history works, aye? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 3 hours ago, Ya Bezzer! said: Stalin's chief executioner, Vasily Blokhin, killed 7,000 people in a month by shooting them in the head. Used a German pistol because Russian made pistols weren't reliable enough. So bare that in mind. If you are going to murder everyone post revolution you better get a good capitalist pistol first. Arbroath could do with a few pairs of his shooting boots. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Menzel said: You understand that's not how history works, aye? I know how it didn't work, allowing the Provisional Government to set up a democratically elected socialist state, instead replacing it with an unelected murderous dictatorship. Edited November 7, 2017 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 36 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Instead they had a civil war that lasted till 1922 with up to 10 million casualties. You can't make an omelette etc etc Maybe the UK and other imperialist powers shouldn't have been sending troops and support to the White Russians and left the top lads to get on with the settled will of the Russian people. Fascinating fact the war memorial in Kinnell church near Arbroath is marked 1914-1919 as there was a local man killed as part of a British regiment sent to fight for the counter revolutionaries. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: Was that not itzdrk at the weekend. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menzel Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I know how it didn't work, allowing the Provisional Government to set up a democratically elected socialist state, instead replacing it with an unelected murderous dictatorship. So that'll be a no. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 So that'll be a no. f**k him up, comrade. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, NotThePars said: f**k him up, comrade. I'm hoping for a lengthy explanation of dialectical materialism and October 1917 being the first of an inevitable chain of events that will lead us to communist Utopia. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Socialism would be great if humans were full of peace, love and kindness. We're not. We're a bunch of greedy arseholes. This is also the reason that humanism is utter dog shite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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