BFTD Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Jambomo said: What are the actual arguments FOR capital punishment though? If it can be shown (I’m not necessarily saying it has been) that it doesn’t reduce crime, is more expensive than prison and could be used incorrectly against innocent people, why do some people want it reintroduced? Other than as a revenge punishment does it bring any benefit? Most of the criminals this would be aimed at never got out of jail anyway (Huntley, Brady, Sutcliffe etc). If there's one thing that's been reinforced in recent years, it's that a decent slice of the general public aren't terribly interested in things like "experts" and "evidence". For some, certain things are just common sense, and that's an end to it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 minute ago, hk blues said: Don't put words in my mouth - that's not what I said. Killing is never right, then again Capital Punishment isn't killing Oh, I thought you were just going to use the dictionary definition of "unlawful killing" as being the reason why state-sponsored death isn't murder! This should be even more entertaining! BRB, popcorn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, hk blues said: Kinda hard to avoid repeating something in order to put someone right on their mistake. Don't put words in my mouth - that's not what I said. Killing is never right, then again Capital Punishment isn't killing capital punishment noun noun: capital punishment the legally authorised killing of someone as punishment for a crime. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, Rugster said: Deary me. Earlier in the thread you said someone shouldn't be involved in the debate as they saw capital punishment as murder. I don't think you should be involved in the debate because you're clearly a moron. Capital Punishment isn't murder. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 minute ago, hk blues said: Capital Punishment isn't murder. Where did I say that it was? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 You are aware that there have been advances in science I assume. The right wing tabloids being thrown in to the mix is an interesting twist, and I'm the one who's basing my reasoning on CSI. No I don’t I think science stayed exactly the same since 1965 and that right wing tabloids directing hate and whipping up the public is a loony left wing myth. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rugster said: Where did I say that it was? Where did I say you did? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, Rugster said: capital punishment noun noun: capital punishment the legally authorised killing of someone as punishment for a crime. Yes...and? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 14 minutes ago, hk blues said: Capital Punishment isn't killing I'm glad to hear it. What is it they do now? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Just now, hk blues said: Where did I say you did? Yes. Moron confirmed. I think I'll join @The Moonsterin just leaving you to spout your nonsense and howl at the moon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Just now, hk blues said: Yes...and? Well, you said capital punishment isn't killing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: I'm glad to hear it. What is it they do now? We don't do anything now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Rugster said: Yes. Moron confirmed. I think I'll join @The Moonsterin just leaving you to spout your nonsense and howl at the moon. Good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I remember capital punishment being enacted, although I wasn't very old when it was abolished, it was only later I read up about what happened regarding the debate - as far as I can recall there were a couple of high profile cases where there was a bit of a public outcry about the death penalty being enacted. But I seem to recall that if the death penalty was abolished, the sentence for murder would be life, life meaning life , not 10 - 15 years (or less), which seems to be the norm now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Skidmarks Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Its pretty obvious we should save the death penalty for super srs murders that definitely can't be appealed or downgraded to manslaughter because we have proved their guilt with a confession and of course, "Science" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, Rugster said: Well, you said capital punishment isn't killing. I thought you were leaving me to it? Anyhow, Capital Punishment is defined as lawful killing , to define as killing is hardly accurate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Fucking Hell, stop digging you imbecile. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: I remember capital punishment being enacted, although I wasn't very old when it was abolished, it was only later I read up about what happened regarding the debate - as far as I can recall there were a couple of high profile cases where there was a bit of a public outcry about the death penalty being enacted. But I seem to recall that if the death penalty was abolished, the sentence for murder would be life, life meaning life , not 10 - 15 years (or less), which seems to be the norm now. Following the logic of some here, there should be no minimum sentence - instead they would be released when rehabilitated. After all, in an enlightened society prison is not a punishment, rather a rehabilitation. It's an interesting, and perhaps valid point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefan27 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, hk blues said: No reasonable person would be fine with the odd innocent person being executed, collateral damage if you like. Just as nobody should be fine with the odd innocent person being imprisoned for 20 years, yet some are trying to place it higher on the scale of acceptability. I have never stood behind the reasonable doubt argument, it's flawed but do we have anything better? No. Can we find a way to make it less flawed? Yes, we have (DNA for one thing) and we can continue to enhance what we have . If I'm being picky, I'd say the use of the word "often" is a huge exaggeration, but it's immaterial. Correct. I don't think anyone is "fine" with someone being imprisoned wrongly for 20 years, but it IS higher on the scale of acceptability. It's wrong, and it's not acceptable, but it's MORE acceptable than killing an innocent person. Much as you'd likely get a lighter sentence for kidnapping someone than if you murdered them... 59 minutes ago, Randy Giles said: That "definitely guilty" argument from earlier in the thread is fucking idiotic, given you're not actually supposed to find someone guilty unless you think they're "definitely guilty". Ex-fucking-xactly 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 The other thing with an innocent person being in jail rather than dead is that they are still in a position to appeal their conviction because they're still... you know... alive to do so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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