Ross. Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, hk blues said: Following the logic of some here, there should be no minimum sentence - instead they would be released when rehabilitated. After all, in an enlightened society prison is not a punishment, rather a rehabilitation. It's an interesting, and perhaps valid point. It's supposed to be all things to all men. Punishment, deterrent and rehabilitation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, The Moonster said: Dress it up however you like, the state would be killing people and sometimes they'll get it wrong, that's murder to me. Amazing that you don't see "innocent people will be killed" as a compelling argument. Well not amazing, hilarious. This already happens with innocent people dying on remand and whist serving sentences for crimes they didn't commit. I am not in favour of capital punishment but our criminal justice system already kills people. 9 minutes ago, killiefan27 said: Correct. I don't think anyone is "fine" with someone being imprisoned wrongly for 20 years, but it IS higher on the scale of acceptability. It's wrong, and it's not acceptable, but it's MORE acceptable than killing an innocent person. Much as you'd likely get a lighter sentence for kidnapping someone than if you murdered them... Ex-fucking-xactly And if they die whilst being wrongly imprisoned? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Was just thinking we hadn't had enough whataboutery on the issue. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Just now, strichener said: This already happens with innocent people dying on remand and whist serving sentences for crimes they didn't commit. I am not in favour of capital punishment but our criminal justice system already kills people. People die. Is that your point? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I thought you were leaving me to it? Anyhow, Capital Punishment is defined as lawful killing , to define as killing is hardly accurate. I’m glad this is how you view it will make the inevitable war on the rich even better when we legalise guillotining anyone with a six figure income. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Maybe we need another level of guilt. Not guilty. Not proven. Guilty. Really, really, really guilty. We’d only execute the ones in the last category. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 And if they die whilst being wrongly imprisoned? People die in prison sometimes. Thanks for that update. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Bold move from strichener. Maybe we should be looking at methods of perpetually keeping people alive until we can really determine their innocence. He's clearly in to take the heat off HK Blues 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 23 minutes ago, Ross. said: It's supposed to be all things to all men. Punishment, deterrent and rehabilitation. I agree. Not all in this thread do, though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, NotThePars said: I’m glad this is how you view it will make the inevitable war on the rich even better when we legalise guillotining anyone with a six figure income. I'll be fine then. Actually, not - I'm paid in Pesos so would I be able to ask that a currency conversion into GBP is done first? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Maybe we need another level of guilt. Not guilty. Not proven. Guilty. Really, really, really guilty. We’d only execute the ones in the last category. Not proven is an interesting one, isn't it. We didn't satisfy the legal test, but we might be able to later so hang on a bit and we will get back to you later. Maybe. Am I right in thinking it doesn't exist under English Law? Anyhow, there are no shades of guilty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 We should randomly select 5% of criminals convicted of any crime each year and publicly execute them. That would be a real deterrent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 15 minutes ago, NotThePars said: People die in prison sometimes. Thanks for that update. Better than your first effort! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 minute ago, hk blues said: Not proven is an interesting one, isn't it. We didn't satisfy the legal test, but we might be able to later so hang on a bit and we will get back to you later. Maybe. Am I right in thinking it doesn't exist under English Law? Anyhow, there are no shades of guilty. It’s Scottish. I think it’s referred to as the b*****d Verdict. I only did jury duty once and a bunch of c***s let a drug dealer go under this verdict. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 minute ago, ICTChris said: We should randomly select 5% of criminals convicted of any crime each year and publicly execute them. That would be a real deterrent. I bet it wouldn’t. ”Has any P&B’r been deterred from commiting a crime because...” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Better than your first effort! Thanks, strichener. In 2018 I’m aiming to really be the best poster I can be and this involves a ruthless editing process and self assessment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefan27 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 44 minutes ago, strichener said: And if they die whilst being wrongly imprisoned? Then that's awful, clearly. but surely you see the difference between someone dying in prison, and the state actively killing them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Skidmarks Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I realise Granny Danger is being ignored as usual, but surely he’s an untapped resource on this subject, what with no doubt viewing a few hangings for desertion during the First World War. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 50 minutes ago, strichener said: This already happens with innocent people dying on remand and whist serving sentences for crimes they didn't commit. I am not in favour of capital punishment but our criminal justice system already kills people. And if they die whilst being wrongly imprisoned? Fair point, we should kill them all right at the start to avoid this from potentially happening. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 For rugby fans - yes. Everything else - no. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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