The Aberdeen Mega-Hyper New Stadium Thread

[1320Lichtie]

Hope my professional drawings helps here? 
Pittodrie loses half a compass, and most have to get across or along King Street to leave (let's accept that arriving is always OK due to staggering of travel)
Kingsford has 5 immediate ways out, all flowing initially from dual carriageways, heading to the city, deeside, donside, south AWPR & north AWPR which connects with A96 and the north A90.  
Kingsford wins hands down (except for our fans that swim to the game). 

Many roads, one shitty road that everyone leaving the stadium will be using

[fatshaft]

Just now, 1320Lichtie said:

 

Many roads, one shitty road that everyone leaving the stadium will be using

 

You've literally never been to Pittodrie eh? 

[1320Lichtie]

You've literally never been to Pittodrie eh? 

First ever Scotland game was at Pittodrie, been several times since.

[strichener]

7 minutes ago, fatshaft said:

AWPR, Harbour extension, City Deal, A90 dualling north, A96 dualling etc.....nae expenditure 

 

Let's keep it to the fitba eh? 

Let's keep it to football whilst trying to argue the point.

AWPR = £603m

[lionel hutz]

1 minute ago, strichener said:

Let's keep it to football whilst trying to argue the point.

AWPR = £603m

How does it cost £603m to build a dual carriageway? WTF?! Is it gold-plated?

[fatshaft]

3 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said:

 

First ever Scotland game was at Pittodrie, been several times since.

 

So you know then that everything feeds onto or across King Street? 

 

Whereas Kingsford has 5 directions of travel to get away from a central starting point round all points of the compass.  

[1320Lichtie]

How does it cost £603m to build a dual carriageway? WTF?! Is it gold-plated?

That’s not very expensive tbh considering it’s for 40 odd mile of road or whatever it is.

[1320Lichtie]

So you know then that everything feeds onto or across King Street? 

 

Whereas Kingsford has 5 directions of travel to get away from a central starting point round all points of the compass.  

 

Yes. I’ve been on the bus and never had bother, as I’ve not had another 100 buses plus every single person in the stadiums car queuing infront of me to get out and I also took the train once and managed to walk back to Union Street along with hundreds of other people and return to Dundee, which you’ll now not be able to do either.

 

Nobody will be walking away from the stadium to there cars that are parked elsewhere and there is one road to que out on too for everyone in the stadium and it’s terrible.

[strichener]

9 minutes ago, Marr1 said:

How does it cost £603m to build a dual carriageway? WTF?! Is it gold-plated?

Didn't get to finish the post:

Let's keep it to football whilst trying to argue the point.

AWPR = £603m from SG, £75m from Shire, £75m from City
Harbour = £11m from Scottish Enterprise, £11m from Shire and City, £175 from EU
City Deal = £25m per annum with a total of £44m from Shire and City

Queensferry Crossing = £1,325m all from SG
M8/M73/M74 Improvements = £1,400m all from SG

 

It didn't cost 603m, that was just the Scottish Governments share.  It actually cost £758m and even that was underestimated as the contractors are taking a massive hit (Balfour Beatty, Carillion and Galliford Try)

Just to keep it to the football side, there was no indication at the time of design of the AWPR that ACC would be looking to site the AECC  nor that AFC would look to build their stadium right beside it.

Edited December 12, 2017 by strichener

[fatshaft]

2 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said:

 

Yes. I’ve been on the bus and never had bother, as I’ve not had another 100 buses plus every single person in the stadiums car queuing infront of me to get out and I also took the train once and managed to walk back to Union Street along with hundreds of other people and return to Dundee, which you’ll now not be able to do either.

 

 

The stadium car park will only hold 1300 cars, the rest will be at Kingswells or round the various Arnhall car parking spots the club have secured, and no doubt a few who will park in Westhill itself. 

[lionel hutz]

1 minute ago, strichener said:

£175 from EU

Doesn't seem like a good return on our £350m a week.

But yes, Dundee (until recently) and Aberdeen have been completely overlooked for public projects compared to the central belt.

There's a reason on Google Maps, if you zoom out far enough it says that all roads stop at Perth.

(Just noticed they added the A9)

 

[Dunty]

24 minutes ago, Marr1 said:

When are these happening?

Also, why does the Airport not have a station, it's literally half a mile from Dyce?

Labour have raised the idea of a light rail system linking the airport, Dyce train station, and the new AECC.

Not entirely sure it's needed or justifies the cost.

 

[lionel hutz]

3 minutes ago, Dunty said:

Labour have raised the idea of a light rail system linking the airport, Dyce train station, and the new AECC.

Not entirely sure it's needed or justifies the cost.

 

Sounds like a good idea, surprisingly.

[williemillersmoustache]

47 minutes ago, Marr1 said:

How does it cost £603m to build a dual carriageway? WTF?! Is it gold-plated?

They were talking about/proposing the bypass when I left Aberdeen in 1989. I imagine all the spraffing and not doing cost a fair bit. 

[thisal]

36 minutes ago, Marr1 said:

Doesn't seem like a good return on our £350m a week.

But yes, Dundee (until recently) and Aberdeen have been completely overlooked for public projects compared to the central belt.

There's a reason on Google Maps, if you zoom out far enough it says that all roads stop at Perth.

(Just noticed they added the A9)

 

It's because if anyone wants to build anything new the locals are out with their pitchforks protesting. See New Aberdeen Stadium, bypass Union street Garden thing etc.

[Aberdeen Cowden]

2 hours ago, Dunty said:

 

Exactly. It's not about how busy it is five minutes after full-time, it's how long it takes to disperse that traffic, and the dual carriageway will be running back to normal far quicker than the roads around Pittodrie are after a game.

The supporters bar will be there, the village hotel is a short walk, if Prime get their way and build a retail park there'll be loads of places there to stop.

And that's before you mention the bars in Westhill and Kingswells.

And, you never know, they may have re-introduced selling alcohol at the game by then, which would solve a lot of pre and post match drinking problems. 

You're acting like the whole of Aberdeen and the north-east can walk to Pittodrie. Most people drive or get a bus there too.

Important to note that Transport Scotland, Roads Development Management and Police Scotland have all looked at the Kingsford plans and believe traffic will be fine.

At Ibrox the other week, the police stopped all the traffic and allowed the entire away support (buses and cars) to drive past - even on the right hand side of the road - so they were all on the motorway within minutes.

Likewise, at Pittodrie traffic gets stopped to allow away buses (Old Firm ones at least) to leave. 

At Kingsford, the police are likely to block the road and allow the shuttle buses and supporters buses to all exit the stadium car park, get on to the AWPR, and be away before all the cars.

Technically two - Dyce has a train station. 

How can all the shuttle buses leave at the same time? By definition they will be going back and forward.

Police Scotland haven’t commented as far as I know and the TA has been classed as “weak”

But we’ll all find out soon enough.

[Aberdeen Cowden]

58 minutes ago, fatshaft said:

So you know then that everything feeds onto or across King Street? 

 

Whereas Kingsford has 5 directions of travel to get away from a central starting point round all points of the compass.  

And these are ? When you would leave the stadium it’s either right or left . Yes both roads eventually have offtakes. But there would only be one exit.

[strichener]

2 hours ago, Dunty said:

At Kingsford, the police are likely to block the road and allow the shuttle buses and supporters buses to all exit the stadium car park, get on to the AWPR, and be away before all the cars.

We wouldn't want to inconvenience the football fans now would we? 

If you need to shut a road to facilitate the stadium then quite clearly it is in the wrong place.  With existing stadia that may be the case but to build one where this is a necessity - planners would have to be mad.  Which is why in Aberdeen that may just well happen (see the number of roundabouts with pedestrian crossings and the entry/exit of roundabouts as evidence of their idiocy)

[williemillersmoustache]

1 minute ago, strichener said:

We wouldn't want to inconvenience the football fans now would we? 

If you need to shut a road to facilitate the stadium then quite clearly it is in the wrong place.  With existing stadia that may be the case but to build one where this is a necessity - planners would have to be mad.  Which is why in Aberdeen that may just well happen (see the number of roundabouts with pedestrian crossings and the entry/exit of roundabouts as evidence of their idiocy)

They do that at Celtic park, McDermid Park, Iprix, Tynecastle and Hampden, maybe not Easter Road but temporary road closures or restrictions are perfectly normal things and make better and easier journeys for everyone. 

 

[RiG]

1 minute ago, williemillersmoustache said:

They do that at Celtic park, McDermid Park, Iprix, Tynecastle and Hampden, maybe not Easter Road but temporary road closures or restrictions are perfectly normal things and make better and easier journeys for everyone. 

They lift cars away from parts of Albion Road and close it off before a game finishes. I had to sit in my car for about 45 minutes waiting to get back home one night earlier this year after the Edinburgh Derby in the Scottish Cup.