Robert James Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 31 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: Well yes let’s use England as an example as they are only down the road, and clubs who barely get 50 a game have floodlights right down to West Region League Two level and below, as well as cover and seats. In fact, let’s use the Highland League as an example as well, all clubs have lights and cover and seats, and some of them barely get 100 through the gate. Tier 5 isn’t an arbitrary line, it’s the two main regional feeder leagues to the SPFL and in fact only 3 clubs out of the 34 don’t have lights so they’re nearly all there anyway, and it is far from unreasonable to require any clubs going upto those feeder leagues to have lights to facilitate midweek games and ensure the fixture calendar doesn’t fall behind. I’ll bet in a few years time seats will also be needed for a Licence. It’s time clubs in Scotland started thinking more about facilities rather than players, particularly those so called big non-league clubs where you still have to pish against a wall. That improves the quality of the game and may encourage more people to games if they know there’s proper basic facilities. Should have been a requirement years ago with the introduction of the Superleagues. Agree that better facilities encourages more people to games. 1 hour ago, Burnie_man said: 1 hour ago, Robert James said: Don't forget juniors Girvan FC, who didn't have floodlights when I last visited the ground. By the way, Golspie would almost certainly reach agreement with Brora Rangers, or Wick Academy, that they could use one of their (floodlit) grounds for Scottish Cup matches. Your home ground needs to comply. Moving games for Scottish Cup isn't complying. My club is Glasgow University not Golspie Sutherland. I am however in favour of Golspie being awarded a derogation, given the above. However, are you saying that GUFC will also lose their licence because they play Scottish Cup matches at the Excelsior Stadium in Airdrie ? Where has this been stated by the SFA ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, Marten said: The lowest level in England where floodlights are required is tier 10, not quite as low as your suggest (although local leagues might enforce additional rules). There are roughly 1000 clubs in the top 10 tiers in English football, taking the difference in population into account that would mean that the 1000th club in England is comparable to the 100th in Scotland, which would take you down to the top of tier 6. England is an exception though in how low down in the pyramid floodlights are required. I've also looked up how the situation is in other nearby countries and compared it population-wise. The Netherlands - required until 4th tier, 92 clubs, comparable to 31 clubs in Scotland, so League 1 level Belgium - required until 4th tier, 88 clubs, comparable to 41 clubs in Scotland, so League 2 level Germany - required until 4th tier, 148 clubs, comparable to 10 clubs in Scotland, so Premiership level So requiring floodlights until the 5th tier is comparable with English football, but a fair bit stricter when compared to other countries. West Region League Two would be tier 9 as and when they move into the Pyramid. I'm not sure population has much bearing on matters ie using Germany as an example would mean only on the Premiership would have lights! I have been to lower league German football (Oberliga tier 5, Verbandsliga tier 6) and they all appeared to have lights, of course whether that is an actual requirement or not is another matter. Either way, they are now a requirement at tier 5 (clubs 43-76) in Scotland and only 3 out of the 76 lack them. I don't think it will be enforced lower down anytime soon, unless of course Lowland League 2 happens......... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, Robert James said: Agree that better facilities encourages more people to games. My club is Glasgow University not Golspie Sutherland. I am however in favour of Golspie being awarded a derogation, given the above. However, are you saying that GUFC will also lose their licence because they play Scottish Cup matches at the Excelsior Stadium in Airdrie ? Where has this been stated by the SFA ? I didn't mention Glasgow Uni? I'm saying that a clubs home ground needs to be compliant, not just move a game to a ground with floodlights. Glasgow Uni play all their games at Airdrie don't they? they would need to I expect otherwise they'd lose their licence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mantis Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: I didn't mention Glasgow Uni? I'm saying that a clubs home ground needs to be compliant, not just move a game to a ground with floodlights. Glasgow Uni play all their games at Airdrie don't they? they would need to I expect otherwise they'd lose their licence. I suspect Uncle Bob has misinterpreted your use of ‘your home ground’ which you obviously used in the context of ‘one’s home ground’ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Burnie_man said: I didn't mention Glasgow Uni? I'm saying that a clubs home ground needs to be compliant, not just move a game to a ground with floodlights. Glasgow Uni play all their games at Airdrie don't they? they would need to I expect otherwise they'd lose their licence. Yes their 1st XI play at Airdrie, but they also use their own Garscube Sports Complex in Glasgow, eg for matches in the inter-universities competitions each year. They moved to the Excelsior Stadium to retain their SFA Licence. Their remaining teams play at the GSC. From your reply, I assume they will not need to apply for a derogation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 37 minutes ago, Robert James said: Yes their 1st XI play at Airdrie, but they also use their own Garscube Sports Complex in Glasgow, eg for matches in the inter-universities competitions each year. They moved to the Excelsior Stadium to retain their SFA Licence. Their remaining teams play at the GSC. From your reply, I assume they will not need to apply for a derogation. As long as the Excelsior stadium is your main home, you will be fine. Technically, the team playing in inter-university competitions is a different team, even if they field exactly the same players. Players who study at Glasgow Uni and play for a different football club could be eligible for the Glasgow Uni team in inter-university competitions while not being eligible to play in any other games. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Marten said: As long as the Excelsior stadium is your main home, you will be fine. Technically, the team playing in inter-university competitions is a different team, even if they field exactly the same players. Players who study at Glasgow Uni and play for a different football club could be eligible for the Glasgow Uni team in inter-university competitions while not being eligible to play in any other games. Noted thank you 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Cumnock 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 CumnockCumnock were one of the clubs I suspected. The place got done up a few years ago & has lights already so no derrogation needed. Good luck to 'em 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot 1978 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 I think derogation was only ever envisaged to be used for current SFA member clubs, eg. to allow Whitehill Welfare a period of grace to comply with new requirements, be that covered disabled places, floodlights, or whatever. I get the impression it was never intended to be used for new applicants (because all new applicants should already be compliant in all areas), hence why the Licence Committee have passed the buck over to the SFA board to make that decision as those new applicants began the process before the requirements changed. Any new applicants who start the process in 2019 onwards will need floodlights in place before their application will go in front of the Licence committee. And you had to add your words of wisdom in this thread too. Jeez ffs man do you ever work?Let others have a debate without you sticking your 1p ok every time. -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Talbot 1978 said: And you had to add your words of wisdom in this thread too. Jeez ffs man do you ever work? Let others have a debate without you sticking your 1p ok every time. I was explaining the process. Maybe try and contribute to the thread rather than trolling it and attacking posters, it doesn't reflect well on you or your club, you never learn. It's pretty mediocre. At least there's are no Nazi comparisons. Edited March 1, 2019 by Burnie_man 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot 1978 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 I was explaining the process. Maybe try and contribute to the thread rather than trolling it and attacking posters, it doesn't reflect well on you or your club, you never learn. It's pretty mediocre. At least there's are no Nazi comparisons.You are on every thread about the pyramid, Laughable that you can't differentiate what you write to consider others trolling lol. I'm pointing out a fact not commenting on every thread. Give yerself a break man -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 You are on every thread about the pyramid, Laughable that you can't see what you write but you would consider others trolling lol.I'm pointing out a fact not commenting on every thread. Give yerself a break manMaybe you should concentrate on doing the Tabot programme and laying off the bevvy.You are in no position to preach to anyone what they should or shouldn't write on the forum. Any Sunday sessions coming up?Now stop dragging this thead off topic, otherwise the organ grinder will be looking for a new monkey. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 20 minutes ago, Talbot 1978 said: You are on every thread about the pyramid, Laughable that you can't differentiate what you write to consider others trolling lol. I'm pointing out a fact not commenting on every thread. Give yerself a break man To be fair Trolls are people who go on and delibrately trying to derail the thread. Burnie man generally tries to make it about debate or insightful about what is happening within the pyramid. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilbowie Benches Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 3 hours ago, Burnie_man said: Cumnock That’s the 2nd West club to apply. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drs Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 31 minutes ago, Talbot 1978 said: You are on every thread about the pyramid, Laughable that you can't differentiate what you write to consider others trolling lol. I'm pointing out a fact not commenting on every thread. Give yerself a break man You seem a tad upset, bitter that the Ayrshire "Juniors" house of cards is now collapsing with Cumnock being the first club to embrace the 21st century. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Just now, Kilbowie Benches said: That’s the 2nd West club to apply. Good to know. Thought that might be the case. As the way I remember it said from the West meeting was that club had already applied at the time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilbowie Benches Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Just now, FairWeatherFan said: Good to know. Thought that might be the case. As the way I remember it said from the West meeting was that club had already applied at the time. They had,I won’t name them because it’s up to them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilbowie Benches Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 34 minutes ago, drs said: You seem a tad upset, bitter that the Ayrshire "Juniors" house of cards is now collapsing with Cumnock being the first club to embrace the 21st century. That’s 2 for the SoSL according to the Juniors are not getting into the pyramid lot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason King Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Thats 2 that will definitely be senior is the more apposite response. The remaining 61 will move over as well, the Junior game is done. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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