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11 minutes ago, ayrunitedfw said:

Happy enough with McAllister re-signing presuming it's purely as back up. 2nd choice right back and 4th choice centre back. 

As long as he's cover I'm happy with it.  

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11 minutes ago, ayrunitedfw said:

Strange the club haven't announced anything. Is the scarf above the head picture recent or when he originally signed for the club. 

Based on the advertising boards it's when he originally signed.

Tbf we still don't even know when O'Connor's extension was triggered despite announcing McGinty's when he did likewise in his 1st season.

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7 hours ago, GaryMc93 said:

Based on the advertising boards it's when he originally signed.

Tbf we still don't even know when O'Connor's extension was triggered despite announcing McGinty's when he did likewise in his 1st season.

Had it confirmed this is the case re O’Connor. Just strange it’s not been announced.

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34 minutes ago, callum-ayr said:

Had it confirmed this is the case re O’Connor. Just strange it’s not been announced.

Yeah only seen confirmation on here though and nothing official from the club unless I missed it.

Although I suppose even though he's triggered an extension he'll still need to sign a new contract.  Maybe he doesn't  want to, wouldn't blame him.

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41 minutes ago, Mod1967 said:

Was told the night of the second thistle game we had 3 signings all but confirmed, If 2 were Mutch and Stanger who's our thoughts on the 3rd ?

Obviously more to come 

Maybe it was O’Connor , sure there are some more not far away to being announced , not too much of a rush as we still have 2 weeks before they report for pre season training 

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14 hours ago, AyrExile said:

Was there not a hostile takeover midseason by the fans group? I suspect Low and the other directors were putting money in at times to cover any shortfall. Think Lachlan used to do the same with us and would take cash out when we got a cup run etc. Thistle are probably at the same point we were when Barr left and the policeman started running the club. 

The new Thistle board of directors promised to secure funding early doors but i don't believe this happened. The way those numbers were presented today might also be slightly different than normal. Watching Thistle is probably a useful exercise in seeing what fan ownership looks like. Words like sustainability sound cool but until the wider game changes i think i'd rather stick with the wealthy individua owner route 

A couple of things worth responding to here.

Firstly, Jacqui Low never put a single penny into Partick Thistle. Her M.O. was finding someone else who would invest the money while she could take the credit for it. Which is why she cosied up to Colin Weir in the first place; because he had a bottomless pit of money that she could exploit for her own gains.

Second point which I've bolded is perhaps more important to clarify. It was the "wealthy individual owner route" which has left Thistle in this mess - which the fan-owned enterprise is now in the process of having to clean up. It's thanks to two accountants on the Jags Foundation board that the club have stopped hemorrhaging money.

A wealthy individual owner can be fine if they care about the club. You know all about that at Ayr. But if you get one who doesn't, then the shit can really hit the fan if they get bored, are poorly advised or just have no idea what they're doing.

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26 minutes ago, Nightmare said:

Second point which I've bolded is perhaps more important to clarify. It was the "wealthy individual owner route" which has left Thistle in this mess - which the fan-owned enterprise is now in the process of having to clean up. It's thanks to two accountants on the Jags Foundation board that the club have stopped hemorrhaging money.

A wealthy individual owner can be fine if they care about the club. You know all about that at Ayr. But if you get one who doesn't, then the shit can really hit the fan if they get bored, are poorly advised or just have no idea what they're doing.

.......................................or ' Kick the Bucket '

It should be termed 'Community Ownership'.  Anyhow Individual Ownership can provide 'highs' but can also lead 'lows'  and Administration.   Responsible Community Ownership will prevent the worst, but will not allow the very best.   Ultimately we want to be in the ground at 3pm on a Saturday.

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26 minutes ago, Nightmare said:

A couple of things worth responding to here.

Firstly, Jacqui Low never put a single penny into Partick Thistle. Her M.O. was finding someone else who would invest the money while she could take the credit for it. Which is why she cosied up to Colin Weir in the first place; because he had a bottomless pit of money that she could exploit for her own gains.

Second point which I've bolded is perhaps more important to clarify. It was the "wealthy individual owner route" which has left Thistle in this mess - which the fan-owned enterprise is now in the process of having to clean up. It's thanks to two accountants on the Jags Foundation board that the club have stopped hemorrhaging money.

A wealthy individual owner can be fine if they care about the club. You know all about that at Ayr. But if you get one who doesn't, then the shit can really hit the fan if they get bored, are poorly advised or just have no idea what they're doing.

Thistle could look at Ayr's recent history as a map how to get out the shit, back in to it and then out again. 

Barr screwed us ultimately, Cameron Sr took over and had his son run the club. He had no idea about running a football club and we were taught a couple of lessons in his early days. Kilmarnock did us for ticket money in a cup tie, Dundee United took Conway and tried to stiff us for money. He also made some of the worst managerial appointments in the clubs history. 

He was an astute businessman who didn't like spending money. We cut the playing budget, went part time and lots of full time club staff were let go. He took ownership when his father took over. 

He sold off parts of the club to pay debts but all that left us with was gate money and we survived thanks to director loans for about a decade. Somerset was falling to bits and struggled to get a safety certificate every year. The turnaround in Ayr was when McCall arrived. He guided Cameron on how the club could be run. 

Smith took over, had ideas on how improve the club off the park but not on it (David Hopkin) and we are getting stronger year on year as a club, he has hired people with experience in areas he is weakest in. 

We are by no means a model club but the parallels between Thistle and Ayr are pretty similar at the moment. Ayr tried to steady the ship while not attempting to make more money, they succeeded but it took about 10 years longer than it should.    

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31 minutes ago, D.Armour Appreciation Society said:

Responsible Community Ownership will prevent the worst, but will not allow the very best.

Fan ownership is the norm across Spain and Germany, including such piddling minnows as Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund.

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