Tibbermoresaint Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: Do you think insulting the electorate will entice them to vote for socialism in the future? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 How the f**k can no one have have realised that Tibbermore Saint is just bouncing from thread to thread looking for an argument? Fucking hell [emoji1] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 7 hours ago, MixuFixit said: Sarah Champion topping up her worstcunt score https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/16/id-take-no-deal-over-no-brexit-says-labours-sarah-champion Imagine a Labour MP saying they might support a Tory Government in a confidence vote. And these arseholes complain about a reselection process. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenal till I die Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 20 hours ago, Tibbermoresaint said: If the goal of socialism is to deliver those things, and that's been done, then what is the future of socialism? To stop these things being undone, for starters. Although consolidation on its own doesn't work. As the old saying goes, "the less left wing the Labour government, the more right wing the next Tory government". Anyway, if there's no point in socialism does that mean there's no point to the SNP? Sod it I'm gonna skip the answer and answer it already - if there's no point in socialism is there a point in independence? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Arsenal till I die said: To stop these things being undone, for starters. Although consolidation on its own doesn't work. As the old saying goes, "the less left wing the Labour government, the more right wing the next Tory government". Anyway, if there's no point in socialism does that mean there's no point to the SNP? Sod it I'm gonna skip the answer and answer it already - if there's no point in socialism is there a point in independence? Yes. We aren't wanting a vote to install a one party government for perpetuity. One strand of the independence argument is that Scottish sentiment does veer to the left of the UK average but it's really a sub argument of the main one which is that decisions that affect Scotland are best made by the people who live in Scotland. Independence needs to be about more than a legislative platform. It's about the structures of our government, about how we come to a decision as much if not more than the substance of that decision. If a future independent Scotland votes in a Laffer curve surfing, benefit stripping zero corporation tax government, I'll consider it a grievous mistake, but it'll be our mistake to make. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, Arsenal till I die said: To stop these things being undone, for starters. Although consolidation on its own doesn't work. As the old saying goes, "the less left wing the Labour government, the more right wing the next Tory government". Anyway, if there's no point in socialism does that mean there's no point to the SNP? Sod it I'm gonna skip the answer and answer it already - if there's no point in socialism is there a point in independence? Neither of your questions make sense. The point of the SNP is to deliver independence. The point of independence is independence. Socialism, or not, is irrelevant. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 The Tories have been in power for about 27 of the last 40 years. If they genuinely wanted rid of the NHS they'd have done it by now. The election of Trump and Brexit has moved the goalposts. In the past there were more than enough sane Tories to keep the free marketeers at bay - now the lunatics truly have taken over the asylum. If they are talking about subverting democracy to get No Deal Brexit through then anything is possible with these b*****ds. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 35 minutes ago, oaksoft said: The Tories have been in power for about 27 of the last 40 years. If they genuinely wanted rid of the NHS they'd have done it by now. Oh and what does socialism have to do with independence for Scotland? In fairness these aren't your father's Tories. The Postwar consensus is long since dead. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Do you think insulting the electorate will entice them to vote for socialism in the future? It is not we who insulteth them, but the propagana weapons in their homes controled by large corporations, in which they believeth every utterance from. Edited July 17, 2019 by BawWatchin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: It is not we who insulteth them, but the propagana weapons in their homes controled by large corporations, in which they believe every utterance from. You're insulting them right there. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Tibbermoresaint said: You're insulting them right there. No. That's just what your propaganda box wants you to believe. It is really it that is insulting you by insulting your intelligence. Or lack of. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: No. That's just what your propaganda box wants you to believe. It is really it that is insulting you by insulting your intelligence. Or lack of. Saying that people are too stupid to understand the difference between reality and propaganda isn't insulting them? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Saying that people are too stupid to understand the difference between reality and propaganda isn't insulting them? Propaganda and reality are the same thing in the mind of an anti-socialist. They're all swayed by corporate media and are then too embarassed to admit when they've fallen for it, yet again. Edited July 17, 2019 by BawWatchin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: Propaganda and reality are the same thing in the mind of an anti-socialist. They're all swayed by corporate media and are then too embarassed to admit when they've fallen for it, yet again. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Tibbermoresaint said: ^^^ Embarassed face wearing a brave looking laughing mask IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Labour establishment peers illustrating once again their determination to help stop Corbyn beating May. The sooner these vile creatures in that vile place disappear from the face of the earth the better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenal till I die Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Fact or propaganda? People working is a good thing. People working is a bad thing. More people have jobs. Less people have jobs. Someone without a job is unemployed. Someone not on the dole isn't unemployed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Deserves a bump after today's bickering. What a shower. Leonard wouldn't be more out the loop if he was living on the moon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 I'd like to see Corbyn replaced by McDonnel now, and then look forward to Indyref2. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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