coprolite Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 From the Senedd, best non apology EVER "Of course, I regret the way that the last three months have been covered and reported, and I regret the impact of the choice I made within all of the rules at the time, and I would not want either myself or any of my colleagues to have had to go through that again. "I recognise that there has been real damage caused to a range of people in this place." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Clavdivs Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Look at Labour's record in Wales,specifically the NHS which they have somehow managed to make worse than Tory run England ...then ask yourself "what is the point of Labour " ? . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aDONisSheep Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 17 hours ago, scottsdad said: Utterly needless comment. Annoys the left and reminds the right that Corbyn was a thing. Lose-lose. Sorry, I may have forgotten to mention this... Starmer is a grade A knvt! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 6 hours ago, I Clavdivs said: Look at Labour's record in Wales,specifically the NHS which they have somehow managed to make worse than Tory run England ...then ask yourself "what is the point of Labour " ? . The NHS here is a joke. I've been lucky enough not to be ill but what i have seen has been very poor. Used to have to make average about 50-60 calls in the morning to get a GP, record being over 150. Often told no appointments, call tomorrow. Maternity wards dilapidated boiling hot, noisy and understaffed and what staff there were were aggressively rude. The Wife's elderly dad had a stroke, fell and gashed his head. The ambulance took over 24 hours to arrive. He then got covid twice in hospital and the hospital lost all his belongings when they moved him. Kids A&E seems adequate tbf. Apparently the ambulance thing isn't unusual. I am in favour of the 20mph thing. It irritates all the right people. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 12 minutes ago, coprolite said: The NHS here is a joke. I've been lucky enough not to be ill but what i have seen has been very poor. Used to have to make average about 50-60 calls in the morning to get a GP, record being over 150. Often told no appointments, call tomorrow. Maternity wards dilapidated boiling hot, noisy and understaffed and what staff there were were aggressively rude. The Wife's elderly dad had a stroke, fell and gashed his head. The ambulance took over 24 hours to arrive. He then got covid twice in hospital and the hospital lost all his belongings when they moved him. Kids A&E seems adequate tbf. Apparently the ambulance thing isn't unusual. I am in favour of the 20mph thing. It irritates all the right people. They’re in coalition with plaid are they not? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 6 minutes ago, MazzyStar said: They’re in coalition with plaid are they not? Co-operation agreement, but not any more. Don't know if that counts as a coalition. I guess it's a kind of de facto one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lichtgilphead Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Looking through the Labour manifesto, I see they've quietly dropped their National Policy Forum's pledge on the NHS "Under Labour, the NHS is not for sale. Labour will always protect our NHS as a publicly funded service, free at the point of use, and will secure healthcare for all." This pledge has been replaced by "(The NHS)... will always be publicly owned and publicly funded”. What that doesn’t rule out is shadow health secretary Wes Streeting’s plans to increase private provision of services within the NHS. This can only increase costs for the public because then profit eats away at NHS budgets. Full story here 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 15 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said: Looking through the Labour manifesto, I see they've quietly dropped their National Policy Forum's pledge on the NHS "Under Labour, the NHS is not for sale. Labour will always protect our NHS as a publicly funded service, free at the point of use, and will secure healthcare for all." This pledge has been replaced by "(The NHS)... will always be publicly owned and publicly funded”. What that doesn’t rule out is shadow health secretary Wes Streeting’s plans to increase private provision of services within the NHS. This can only increase costs for the public because then profit eats away at NHS budgets. Full story here The extortionately high cost of private provision in public services, with billions being syphoned off into private profit as a result, is one of the main reasons for the U.K. having its ever highest peace time tax burden whilst still experiencing an ongoing diminution of services. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Clavdivs Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 27 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said: Looking through the Labour manifesto, I see they've quietly dropped their National Policy Forum's pledge on the NHS "Under Labour, the NHS is not for sale. Labour will always protect our NHS as a publicly funded service, free at the point of use, and will secure healthcare for all." This pledge has been replaced by "(The NHS)... will always be publicly owned and publicly funded”. What that doesn’t rule out is shadow health secretary Wes Streeting’s plans to increase private provision of services within the NHS. This can only increase costs for the public because then profit eats away at NHS budgets. Full story here Perhaps the 175k in donations from Private Health Care firms to Streeting has something to do with this ...or am I just being cynical ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thane of Cawdor Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Article about Labour's Machiavelli/strategic genius. No indication of any political philosophy other than securing and retaining power through elimination of opposing factions within Labour. He appears to consider Starmer as a President rather than a "first among equals" Minister. If you can be arsed to read the article, prepare to be depressed. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/16/morgan-mcsweeney-labour-election-guru-profile 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 11 minutes ago, Thane of Cawdor said: Article about Labour's Machiavelli/strategic genius. No indication of any political philosophy other than securing and retaining power through elimination of opposing factions within Labour. He appears to consider Starmer as a President rather than a "first among equals" Minister. If you can be arsed to read the article, prepare to be depressed. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/16/morgan-mcsweeney-labour-election-guru-profile Goebbels would be proud. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 32 minutes ago, Thane of Cawdor said: Article about Labour's Machiavelli/strategic genius. No indication of any political philosophy other than securing and retaining power through elimination of opposing factions within Labour. He appears to consider Starmer as a President rather than a "first among equals" Minister. If you can be arsed to read the article, prepare to be depressed. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/16/morgan-mcsweeney-labour-election-guru-profile Already read it. Already depressed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Denny Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 (edited) On 14/06/2024 at 18:04, I Clavdivs said: Perhaps the 175k in donations from Private Health Care firms to Streeting has something to do with this ...or am I just being cynical ? Sell the jerseys for 175,000, fuckers.. Forgot an 0.. Edited June 16 by Bob in Denny 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 3 hours ago, Thane of Cawdor said: Article about Labour's Machiavelli/strategic genius. No indication of any political philosophy other than securing and retaining power through elimination of opposing factions within Labour. He appears to consider Starmer as a President rather than a "first among equals" Minister. If you can be arsed to read the article, prepare to be depressed. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/16/morgan-mcsweeney-labour-election-guru-profile "In 2006 he became a campaign aide to Steve Reed, who was trying to regain control of the party in Lambeth from the hard left". Ah, the hard left again. In 2006, the hard centre was overseeing its mass murdering occupation of Iraq. Further insight on McSweeney: https://archive.ph/x3MGM 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 SNP can shuffle 850 million to Private Health Providers but that's admirable. https://www.scotlandmatters.co.uk/2024/06/09/snps-850million-bill-for-private-nhs-work-msn/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Ah yes. Scotland Matters. A group that recently (Jan 2024) published an article asking for abolition of Holyrood, the Senedd & the NI assembly, albeit with a pathetic disclaimer at the end. It's just another opaquely funded group which has previously been pulled up by the Electoral Commission for breaching donation rules This appears to be what Labour apologists in Scotland are reduced to. Quoting extreme Yoon groups, plus the more right wing views of the Mail/Express/Telegraph Jedi appears to agree with their viewpoint, Is this now official labour policy too? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 1 hour ago, Jedi2 said: SNP can shuffle 850 million to Private Health Providers but that's admirable. https://www.scotlandmatters.co.uk/2024/06/09/snps-850million-bill-for-private-nhs-work-msn/ Wrong thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 4 minutes ago, Freedom Farter said: Wrong thread. Any thread is an SNP Baaaddd thread according to @Jedi2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkieRR Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 I notice Sir Peter Butterworth 'ruled out' rejoining the EU in a recent interview. All the Labourites I know take the same tone, as if directed to; Brexit done, EU membership history, rejoining not on the table (which of course is if ttrue you want it to be). I don't think Labour were ever really that bothered about Brexit, and still aren't, even as the damage mounts up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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