MazzyStar Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240201-labour-is-the-party-of-business-uk-s-starmer-tells-corporate-bigwigs The Labour Party is the party of business according to its leader. What’s the fucking point? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) 11 hours ago, Jedi2 said: Don't disagree. Starmer has become so terrified of losing this election through trial by Tory media now, that he is stripping back way too many of the proposals which make them both different from and better than the Tories...Green Energy, proper funding of public services, sorting out the bankers, taking on multinationals and non doms etc. The outcome of this could be enough Tory voters in England who were thinking if switching, now wondering if they should just stick with the full fat version. Meanwhile it turns off potential 'new' Labour voters..who could go Lib Dem instead. He could end up handing the Tories a road back at this rate. Starmer will win the election for a few reasons. He was tasked with cleaning up Labour. He's done that. The anti-semites are dealt with and now gone or hushed for now. Their talisman, Jezza will be history after the election and back to doing what he prefers. Protesting . He hasn't scared the horses. The Business sector will back him and he's a boring lawyer that checks the details unlike the scary Corbyn or the idiotic oaf Boris Johnson. The English public want a change. They're not enthusiastic for Starmer the way they were for Blair but the Tories have been in too long and the mood is for change. Brexit has been a failure and is costing billions, though Starmer will do bugger all about it. Divided parties don't win elections and the Tories are broken into what has been called the 5 families. There is a real chance that they could splinter with the moonhowler far right, (the ERG and the libertarians who do the bidding of the 55 Tufton St mob) going off with the Reform Party shysters. But the support for him doesn't strike me as solid. Edited February 2 by AndyM 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 30 minutes ago, AndyM said: Starmer will win the election for a few reasons. He was tasked with cleaning up Labour. He's done that. The anti-semites are dealt with and now gone or hushed for now. Their talisman, Jezza will be history after the election and back to doing what he prefers. Protesting . He hasn't scared the horses. The Business sector will back him and he's a boring lawyer that checks the details unlike the scary Corbyn or the idiotic oaf Boris Johnson. The English public want a change. They're not enthusiastic for Starmer the way they were for Blair but the Tories have been in too long and the mood is for change. Brexit has been a failure and is costing billions, though Starmer will do bugger all about it. Divided parties don't win elections and the Tories are broken into what has been called the 5 families. There is a real chance that they could splinter with the moonhowler far right, (the ERG and the libertarians who do the bidding of the 55 Tufton St mob) going off with the Reform Party shysters. But the support for him doesn't strike me as solid. Think this is all fair. As you say he doesn't scare the horses, and for Tory voters thinking of switching, gives them that 'he might not change too much 'reassurance''. Still have to hope that they at least stick to the main substance of the Green Energy plan, the VAT on private schools, cracking down on non doms, nationalising rail, and properly funding public services 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 24 minutes ago, Jedi2 said: Think this is all fair. As you say he doesn't scare the horses, and for Tory voters thinking of switching, gives them that 'he might not change too much 'reassurance''. Still have to hope that they at least stick to the main substance of the Green Energy plan, the VAT on private schools, cracking down on non doms, nationalising rail, and properly funding public services I would be delighted if these things happen but I fear it'll get watered down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houston_bud Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, AndyM said: Starmer will win the election for a few reasons. He was tasked with cleaning up Labour. He's done that. The anti-semites are dealt with and now gone or hushed for now. Their talisman, Jezza will be history after the election and back to doing what he prefers. Protesting . He hasn't scared the horses. The Business sector will back him and he's a boring lawyer that checks the details unlike the scary Corbyn or the idiotic oaf Boris Johnson. The English public want a change. They're not enthusiastic for Starmer the way they were for Blair but the Tories have been in too long and the mood is for change. Brexit has been a failure and is costing billions, though Starmer will do bugger all about it. Divided parties don't win elections and the Tories are broken into what has been called the 5 families. There is a real chance that they could splinter with the moonhowler far right, (the ERG and the libertarians who do the bidding of the 55 Tufton St mob) going off with the Reform Party shysters. But the support for him doesn't strike me as solid. Whilst this point is undoubtedly true, I think it's unlikely we'll see another politician with that sort of popularity in the short to medium term. Society is so polarised that it's almost impossible for someone to have the sort of approval ratings that Blair had prior to 97. Even if Labour had a smoother, more charismatic leader just now, they still wouldn't have numbers like Blair. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHF-23 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, AndyM said: The English public want a change. To be fair you could have just posted this - government's running out of rope and going one crisis too long is the only reason we've had a change of governing party in this country since 1979. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 12 minutes ago, GHF-23 said: To be fair you could have just posted this - government's running out of rope and going one crisis too long is the only reason we've had a change of governing party in this country since 1979. Yep. Labour's win in 1997 was primarily due to Major's government being an absolute binfire of rampaging perverts stripmining the country's resources, with a leader completely unable to control his own party (which probably sounds familiar). Blair's popularity was akin to an invading army overthrowing a brutal dictatorship; who knows what the new guys are actually going to do, but it can't be worse than them. If Starmer wins, he'll likely have a honeymoon period too, purely because he's not the nightmare that we've just lived through. Cameron was a pasty, babyfaced joke until the credit crunch, much like his predecessors Iain Duncan Smith and William Hague, but Labour got put out to pasture because of that and Iraq, despite not being at fault for the former. Of course, Brown's administration also seemed deeply boring, which...Jesus, shouldn't that be a good thing? Stop voting for rapacious perverts, people. At least Keef genuinely seems like he will pore over departmental documents for fun, rather than snorting coke off intern's tits on top of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 2 hours ago, Jedi2 said: Think this is all fair. As you say he doesn't scare the horses, and for Tory voters thinking of switching, gives them that 'he might not change too much 'reassurance''. Still have to hope that they at least stick to the main substance of the Green Energy plan, the VAT on private schools, cracking down on non doms, nationalising rail, and properly funding public services If you genuinely believe that they will be doing these, then I’m the wallet inspector. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aDONisSheep Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) Hurrah! We're getting Sir Kier Thatcher, a middle manager of the Holborn branch. He's a spineless knvt. I note that the human rights lawyer, hasn't uttered a word about the ICJ judgement that many of Israel's actions “appear to be capable of falling within the provisions of the [Genocide] Convention.”. Funny that! His 10 pledges wiped. Bankers bonuses - Yip, go ahead, take on all sorts of short term risky deals, fill yer boots, what's the worst that could happen. 2 child benefit cap - Fvk you, you scrounging wasters! Nope, we're not going to ask businesses to pay more tax (because they've told us they don't like it). Dear USA - I love you so much that anything you say, I'll support (including bombing some poor country, 'cos... stuff). Imagine the change we could have had in this country, and now look at what we're going to get! Yours aDONis Edited February 2 by aDONisSheep 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 9 hours ago, Jedi2 said: Think this is all fair. As you say he doesn't scare the horses, and for Tory voters thinking of switching, gives them that 'he might not change too much 'reassurance''. Still have to hope that they at least stick to the main substance of the Green Energy plan, the VAT on private schools, cracking down on non doms, nationalising rail, and properly funding public services Fucked it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Jackie Billie was unable to support her party policy this morning on gms. Jackie Baillie is Scottish Labour Deputy Leader and Spokesperson for Health and Social Care. Under any normal circumstance, Jackie Baillie would resign or be required to resign but no, this is special politics whereby the red and blue north britishers get to pretend they're somehow detached and different from their more senior colleagues. They are not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkieRR Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Jackie Baillie, Scottish Politician of the Year if you can believe it, is everything that is wrong with Scottish politics, never mind Scottish Labour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Worth remembering the Labour approach to the 1997 election: Ultra cautious-keep Tory spending plans for first 2 years, no income tax rises, abolish Clause IV on public ownership, talk up 'tough on crime', not reverse Tory trade union laws etc. And yet...despite accusations of being Tory lite then (as now) it turned out to be a govt which brought record investment to the NHS, Education and Social Services, introduced the Minimum wage, brought Devolution to Scotland and Wales, the GFA to N.Ireland, Sure Start, free nursery places, low inflation, positive approach to immigration, 3 million more in work. In other words improved the lives of an awful lot of people across the UK. (Obviously yes, a lot of the record was later tainted by Iraq). There are a lot of parallels between then and now..the caution and rowing back, the accusations of 'just the same', a deeply unpopular Tory govt....and then a Labour govt which, despite the 'caution', as said, made life better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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scottsdad Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Dropping the pledge was a clanger. Nobody was worried that it might cause a "tax bombshell" after the Tories had fucked everything .there's caution and then there is this. Folk would vote for investment, green or otherwise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Keep going Jedi, if you keep posting the same fantasy over and over eventually you will convince yourself that it will actually happen when we all know it is simply fantasy. You must have made the same post in umpteen different versions over the last few weeks. Starmer is not playing rope-a-dope here no matter how much you keep clinging to that hope (assuming you are actually pro Labour which I still actually doubt) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Tedious nonsense as per. These unpleasant, easily bullied, middle management dickheads are getting their turn explicitly because they're not going to do anything except lock in the shrivelled austerity state and Tory gains of the past 13 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 13 hours ago, AndyM said: Starmer will win the election for a few reasons. He was tasked with cleaning up Labour. He's done that. The anti-semites are dealt with and now gone or hushed for now. "The anti-semites"? It annoys me that the true meaning of antisemitism has been hijacked and changed in recent years, in any case it's been well documented that the Labour Party under Starmer has used this accusation wrongly against many of their own members. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, Billy Jean King said: (assuming you are actually pro Labour which I still actually doubt) So you are suggesting that I am, in fact, a Tory now? Gold 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Tedious sh*te is continually peddling the line that Humza is actually a great guy, who is on the cusp of leading Scotland to Independece, that the whole media is united to 'get' the SNP, and of course, that's its 'all Westminster's fault' as we essentially have no powers to make choices ourselves..pretty much a summary of most pro-SNP posts 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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