What is the point of Labour ?

Iain · Thursday at 08:39

1 minute ago, Granny Danger said:

It will be interesting to see if the voting reflects the polling. If it does your consternation is justified.

The more I think about it, the more I reckon some people just like to back a winning horse.

Edited Thursday at 08:40 by Iain

Fullerene · Thursday at 09:17

57 minutes ago, Iain said:

The thing I'm struggling to get my head around is that, if you believe polling, there must be a fair chunk of pro-independence folks planning to vote for Labour in Scotland. I'm really having a hard time understanding their thought process.

Your assumption is that everyone is 100% in favour of independence or 100% against.

Some people just want a party that will improve their lives. If independence will do that then fine. If it is not going to happen then they would look elsewhere.

Any party that appears divided or involved in scandal (perceived or otherwise) will be at a disadvantage. At the moment, Labour appear united and scandal-free although nobody expects that to last.

Granny Danger · Thursday at 09:22

2 minutes ago, Fullerene said:

Your assumption is that everyone is 100% in favour of independence or 100% against.

Some people just want a party that will improve their lives. If independence will do that then fine. If it is not going to happen then they would look elsewhere.

Any party that appears divided or involved in scandal (perceived or otherwise) will be at a disadvantage. At the moment, Labour appear united and scandal-free although nobody expects that to last.

Then you have to allow that people simply don’t pay attention and/or have short memory spans. People’s lives might not be quite as bad if we weren’t still paying for the disastrous PFI introduced by the last Labour government.

MazzyStar · Thursday at 09:45

10 hours ago, GordonS said:

What is he even complaining about? That licences for private energy generation saw BlackRock advise one of the potential applicants?

Aye, we've sold the whole country to them there right enough...

No, my main issue is the SNPs disastrous Scotwind project and the fact BlackRock was even involved in it.

strichener · Thursday at 13:09

3 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

Then you have to allow that people simply don’t pay attention and/or have short memory spans. People’s lives might not be quite as bad if we weren’t still paying for the disastrous PFI introduced by the last Labour government.

Replaced by the equally disastrous SFT and NPD model introduced by the SNP.

Bogbrush1903 · Thursday at 13:24

5 hours ago, Lex said:

Because most independence supporters are realists who know independence is dead, and they're voting on other issues that matter to them more.

And what precisely is Labour offering Scotland?

To decimate the already flagging Oil and Gas Industry by raising the already crippling 75% windfall tax to 78% and ban new drilling licences leaving thousands of Scots unemployed and bankrupt Aberdeen.

Even if they don't carry out the latter election 'promise', a Labour landslide tonight will be enough to scare the operators.

This is the major issue in Scotland and specifically Aberdeen, yet none of the major parties are addressing what happens after Oil.

If I vote tonight, then it'll be a protest vote for the Trade Unionists and Socialist Coalition.

Edited Thursday at 13:30 by Bogbrush1903

Bogbrush1903 · Thursday at 13:30

4 hours ago, Fullerene said:

Your assumption is that everyone is 100% in favour of independence or 100% against.

Some people just want a party that will improve their lives. If independence will do that then fine. If it is not going to happen then they would look elsewhere.

Any party that appears divided or involved in scandal (perceived or otherwise) will be at a disadvantage. At the moment, Labour appear united and scandal-free although nobody expects that to last.

How will Labour improve the lives of thousands of Scots they are away to send to the dole office?

Starmer says vote for change but there is no change between Starmer and Sunak.

He's drove dissenting left-wing voices out of the party with a trumped up campaign of antisemitism against Corbyn and his acolytes.

Labour will disintegrate by the end of the year with that fraud in charge.

Edited Thursday at 13:42 by Bogbrush1903

carpetmonster · Thursday at 13:38

7 minutes ago, Bogbrush1903 said:

How will Labour improve the lives of thousands of Scots they are away to send to the dole office?

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Au contraire, with Streeting’s new American-style NHS there’ll be a need for a veritable army of billers, administrators, insurance agents and debt counsellors.

Fullerene · Thursday at 13:47

15 minutes ago, Bogbrush1903 said:

How will Labour improve the lives of thousands of Scots they are away to send to the dole office?

Starmer says vote for change but there is no change between Starmer and Sunak.

He's drove dissenting left-wing voices out of the party with a trumped up campaign of antisemitism against Corbyn and his acolytes.

Labour will disintegrate by the end of the year with that fraud in charge.

I am not claiming they will improve anything.

However some voters think a party distracted by division and/or scandal (perceived or otherwise) won't be able to do anything at all.

The DA · Thursday at 16:58

8 hours ago, Lex said:

Won't matter either way. Westminster will never vote through another referendum and the Supreme Court has ruled that Holyrood can't legislate on non-devolved issues. Independence supporters aren't going away, but independence will no longer dominate the Scottish political discourse, as it has done for the last decade.

We should take them to the ECHR or the International Court of Justice. But we'd better hurry before Labour resign from both.

O'Kelly Isley III · Thursday at 17:12

Labour should enjoy tomorrow, but this won't be a transfer of power as much as a transfer of problems.

Granny Danger · Thursday at 17:48

4 hours ago, Bogbrush1903 said:

How will Labour improve the lives of thousands of Scots they are away to send to the dole office?

Starmer says vote for change but there is no change between Starmer and Sunak.

He's drove dissenting left-wing voices out of the party with a trumped up campaign of antisemitism against Corbyn and his acolytes.

Labour will disintegrate by the end of the year with that fraud in charge.

People have short memories and most need to experience things personally for it to have any effect.

Anyone under 32 will not have experienced a Labour government as an adult. Even people older than that will probably have forgotten just how bad Labour were in certain respects. Sadly people need a reminder and the next five years will be just that.

Maybe it’s happening at a good time for the SNP, their credibility is seriously damaged at the moment and they must use the next few years to highlight the failures of Starmer and his cronies. A rebuilding job with a credible leadership is required, possibly with Flynn moving to Holyrood and getting shot of the right wingers and bigots.

KirkieRR · Thursday at 22:12

Scottish Labour will revert to early 21st Century Labour and assume they're there for the duration and take those who vote for them for granted. Again.

This is not a defence of the Holyrood SNP government which I view as largely well-intentioned but slow, inactive, asleep at the wheel. This is a Wminster election and there the SNP have been far more effective than Labour in calling out the madness of Brexit. So I was inclined to vote SNP anyway, but in Mid-Dunbartonshire, it's a straight fight between the SNP's Amy Callaghan and a mad WibbleDem councillor who will be a national embarrassment if she gets to gibber in Parliament. Labour aren't a factor here.