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French latest polls (7 since Wednesday) with 1 week left: far right 32-35%... leftist alliance 26-30%... centrists/liberals 19-22%... conservatives 6-9%... extreme right 1-3%... rest 1-2% each.

EDIT: regarding run-offs, where choice is far right v centrists/liberals the latter are 8% ahead, but where far right v left alliance the latter are 7% behind.


Predicted seats:

(290 required for outright majority)
200-300     Far right
135-240     left alliance
   80-130     Centrists/Liberals (government)
      10-60     Conservatives
   +10-30     others


with average:

240     Far right
190     left alliance
100     Centrists/liberals
   35     Conservatives
+15     others

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5 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

To the shock of no one, Farage is simping for the Russians and Putin.

No doubt the usual folk will be along to defend him.

Think Farage will live to regret exposing his views on everything apart from immigration to the scrutiny of an election campaign. 

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On 21/06/2024 at 21:25, HibeeJibee said:

French latest polls (7 since Wednesday) with 1 week left: 

Predicted seats:

(290 required for outright majority)
200-300     Far right
135-240     left alliance
   80-130     Centrists/Liberals (government)
      10-60     Conservatives
   +10-30     others


with average:

240     Far right
190     left alliance
100     Centrists/liberals
   35     Conservatives
+15     others

Latest:

(290 required for outright majority)
210-275     Far right
150-210     Left alliance
   75-130     Centrists/liberals (government)
      30-60     Conservatives

      +9-22     others

average:

240     Far right
185     Left alliance
   95     Centrists/liberals (government)
   45     Conservatives
+15     others


(Interestingly in this scenario neither a coalition of Far right + Conservatives nor of Left alliance + Centrists/liberals could command a full majority... only a grand coalition or looser agreement between Communists, Extreme Left, Far Left, Labour, Greens, Centrists/Liberals and Conservatives could reliably pass legislation)

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4 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said:

Latest:

(290 required for outright majority)
210-275     Far right
150-210     Left alliance
   75-130     Centrists/liberals (government)
      30-60     Conservatives

      +9-22     others

average:

240     Far right
185     Left alliance
   95     Centrists/liberals (government)
   45     Conservatives
+15     others


(Interestingly in this scenario neither a coalition of Far right + Conservatives nor of Left alliance + Centrists/liberals could command a full majority... only a grand coalition or looser agreement between Communists, Extreme Left, Far Left, Labour, Greens, Centrists/Liberals and Conservatives could reliably pass legislation)

A grand coalition would IMO be the likely outcome, if Far Right even fall 1 short of a majority (presuming the others make up are not far/extreme right)  It is without doubt better than the other outcome but comes with huge risk due to the internal politics of only lasting short term, The far right being extra energised with a 'everyone's against us and their all incompetent' message. Would feel like it was postponing the inevitable in the hope the far right find a way to destroy themselves from within before another election was called.

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I was reminded of a brilliant piece of trolling inflicted on Farage. I think he was taking part in a phone-in, (maybe LBC?) and a caller said that he had been vehemently opposed to Brexit but one event made him change his mind. Farage asked him what that event was, only to be told "I was kicked in the head by a horse..." 🙂

The Princess Anne story reminded me of that.

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7 hours ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

I was reminded of a brilliant piece of trolling inflicted on Farage. I think he was taking part in a phone-in, (maybe LBC?) and a caller said that he had been vehemently opposed to Brexit but one event made him change his mind. Farage asked him what that event was, only to be told "I was kicked in the head by a horse..." 🙂

The Princess Anne story reminded me of that.

 

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On 21/06/2024 at 21:25, HibeeJibee said:

French latest polls (7 since Wednesday) with 1 week left: far right 32-35%... leftist alliance 26-30%... centrists/liberals 19-22%... conservatives 6-9%... extreme right 1-3%... rest 1-2% each.

EDIT: regarding run-offs, where choice is far right v centrists/liberals the latter are 8% ahead, but where far right v left alliance the latter are 7% behind.

 

On 24/06/2024 at 19:45, HibeeJibee said:

Latest:

(290 required for outright majority)
210-275     Far right
150-210     Left alliance
   75-130     Centrists/liberals (government)
      30-60     Conservatives

      +9-22     others

average:

240     Far right
185     Left alliance
   95     Centrists/liberals (government)
   45     Conservatives
+15     others


(Interestingly in this scenario neither a coalition of Far right + Conservatives nor of Left alliance + Centrists/liberals could command a full majority... only a grand coalition or looser agreement between Communists, Extreme Left, Far Left, Labour, Greens, Centrists/Liberals and Conservatives could reliably pass legislation)


Macron has royally screwed this up: with 3 days left several polls since Tuesday show far right rising to 36-37%... leftist alliance on 27-29%... his centrists/liberals on 20-21%... conservatives on 6-8%.

Far right also leads polling of voting intentions in runoffs next weekend both where straight Left v Far Right (by 13% - or 4% depending on leftist bloc) and 3 way Left v Centre v Far Right (by 13% over centrists/17% over left - 7% depending on bloc).

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This rise of the far-right here and across Europe. Are the bawheids who are in favour of this rise and actively support it, think this is a new cuddly sort of fascism or are they so fucking stupid they don't know or understand how these movements end? Rant over 😠.

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