welshbairn Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 46 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Anyone claiming they are more or less identical has not been paying attention to the austerity agenda that has been forced on all of us in recent years. Who bailed out the banks and introduced quantitative easing and austerity measures to pay for it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Who bailed out the banks and introduced quantitative easing and austerity measures to pay for it? Do you think the government at that time should not have bailed out the banks? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 It’s not optimal but we have to deal with the world as it is not as we would like it to be. Posters like [mention=12228]DA Baracus[/mention] prefer to talk about wish lists; I’m more interested in how things really are. A Labour Party with all its flaws led by a leader with all his flaws is still preferable to a Tory Party. Anyone claiming they are more or less identical has not been paying attention to the austerity agenda that has been forced on all of us in recent years.Labour abstained there way through the entirety of the austerity agenda in order to appear fiscally shrewd to middle England. It appears that it's you that hasn't been paying attention the last few years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 23 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Do you think the government at that time should not have bailed out the banks? No, but to pretend Labour weren't complicit in the potentially disastrous Europe wide consequences is wrong. They would have done much the same as the Tories if they'd won. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Ed Miliband was an absolute disaster. A truly pathetic leader and much of what we see today in the country is down to him becoming leader. He tried to please too many people. He allowed people as useless as Cameron and Osborne to pin the blame on Labour for the worldwide financial crisis almost without challenge. He lost Scotland. He changed the rules internally paving the way for the lunatics to take control, something that the party will probably never recover from. He didn’t even bother to challenge austerity, and even the things he did oppose he was totally ineffective. The 2015 should have been pretty straight forward the way things were heading, but Labour were standing still as the Tories tactically destroyed the Lib Dems. As a person he seems alright and his heart is in the right place, but utterly useless. Unfortunately he’s been followed by someone even worse. Someone who couldn’t be bothered to sit on committees, isn’t very bright and who has spent 40 or so years spouting the same thing. And as bad as he is, the team around him are even worse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Do you think the government at that time should not have bailed out the banks?Perhaps not, but nothing that has happened in the interim convinces me that a parallel set of greedy, uncontrolled feral bankers couldn't easily repeat the dose.And that brings us back to Corbyn; whilst I believe that he and McDonnell would welcome a tilt at their reckless modus operandi, I also believe they simply won't get the chance.The Tories may be venal, heartless, psychopathic and racist b*****ds but they know how to win elections. Corbyn with the likes of Abbott in tow simply won't cut it with a sizeable swathe of the electorate, he simply doesn't have the stuff that takes the fight to the opposition and can inspire people - that is the current reality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: The Tories may be venal, heartless, psychopathic and racist b*****ds I'm a Tory...and don't recognise any of this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: I'm a Tory...and don't recognise any of this. O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us To see oursels as ithers see us! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 I'm a Plastic Tory...and don't recognise any of this.FTFY 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: FTFY Dear God. 'Plastic Tory'? Where did that idiocy come from? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 hour ago, BerwickMad said: Ed Miliband was an absolute disaster. A truly pathetic leader and much of what we see today in the country is down to him becoming leader. He tried to please too many people. He allowed people as useless as Cameron and Osborne to pin the blame on Labour for the worldwide financial crisis almost without challenge. He lost Scotland. He changed the rules internally paving the way for the lunatics to take control, something that the party will probably never recover from. He didn’t even bother to challenge austerity, and even the things he did oppose he was totally ineffective. The 2015 should have been pretty straight forward the way things were heading, but Labour were standing still as the Tories tactically destroyed the Lib Dems. As a person he seems alright and his heart is in the right place, but utterly useless. Unfortunately he’s been followed by someone even worse. Someone who couldn’t be bothered to sit on committees, isn’t very bright and who has spent 40 or so years spouting the same thing. And as bad as he is, the team around him are even worse. This. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: I'm a Tory...and don't recognise any of this. Perhaps that’s your problem. Edited March 7, 2019 by Londonwell 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 11 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: I'm a Tory...and don't recognise any of this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 11 hours ago, BerwickMad said: He changed the rules internally paving the way for the lunatics to take control, something that the party will probably never recover from. Eric Joyce headbutting that Tory MP in the Strangers Bar is fast becoming a more historically significant event than anybody could ever have anticipated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Claiming that Ed Miliband ever 'had' Scotland to 'lose' quite neatly underlines the quasi-colonial arrogance of the British Labour Party and its branch office outfit. A nation that exists merely to serve the cause of their shan Westminster politics. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Ed Miliband was an absolute disaster. A truly pathetic leader and much of what we see today in the country is down to him becoming leader. He tried to please too many people. He allowed people as useless as Cameron and Osborne to pin the blame on Labour for the worldwide financial crisis almost without challenge. He lost Scotland. He changed the rules internally paving the way for the lunatics to take control, something that the party will probably never recover from. He didn’t even bother to challenge austerity, and even the things he did oppose he was totally ineffective. The 2015 should have been pretty straight forward the way things were heading, but Labour were standing still as the Tories tactically destroyed the Lib Dems. As a person he seems alright and his heart is in the right place, but utterly useless. Unfortunately he’s been followed by someone even worse. Someone who couldn’t be bothered to sit on committees, isn’t very bright and who has spent 40 or so years spouting the same thing. And as bad as he is, the team around him are even worse. I think you're probably right that he tried to please too many people and failed no one - you don't give yourself a chance if your base isn't going to turn up.That being said, I think they were always doomed. The referendum brought out a new turnout and vote was always going to consolidate around the SNP in a way like never before - I think that the unionist parties were destined to take a kicking well in advance regardless tbh. Once that was the case, the whole coalition of chaos thing worked brilliantly in England, the English electorate genuinely feared that the SNP would have key sway and steal all the money for the Scotch.I'd say a better performance was possible but I find it hard to see a scenario where we didn't have a Tory led government. Maybe he'd have had a chance if he punted Leslie et al and presented the manifesto he wanted. The stuff about admitting total responsibility for the global financial crisis was an insane strategy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 I see they've really stepped things up now in the "Destroy Corbyn" operation. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47482048 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 2 hours ago, WATTOO said: I see they've really stepped things up now in the "Destroy Corbyn" operation. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47482048 Does there come a point where we stop saying this is all just a hatchet job? The EHRC must have something to go on to consider such action surely? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Aye complaints from right wing Jewish organisations. Much like the results of the Formby investigation the final conclusion will be ignored. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, Londonwell said: Does there come a point where we stop saying this is all just a hatchet job? The EHRC must have something to go on to consider such action surely? They have received a complaint so they must investigate it as per standard practice. I'm pretty sure anyone with an ounce of sense can see this IS a "hatchet job". What you should understand here is the wording of the report which is, "The Labour party may have", "the EHRC said it was considering" Further down, we see where this has all come from, Gideon Falter, of the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism, said his group had been "forced" to "seek an external, impartial investigation" after calls from the Jewish community for tougher action from Labour officials had been "persistently rebuffed". The Jewish Labour Movement said it made a submission to the EHRC in November last year, asking it to investigate the allegation that the Labour Party was "institutionally anti-Semitic". Dame Margaret Hodge welcomed the EHRC announcement, saying "faith in Labour's complaints process is at rock bottom" and it was "essential the EHRC make all necessary inquiries" It doesn't take the brain of Britain to see who's behind all this and they just keep chipping away to ensure that any chance of a left leaning centre Gov is put to bed forever. It really is a shocking state of affairs................ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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