AlanCamelonfan Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 46 minutes ago, Auld Heid said: The juniors have a better set-up with the 3 established regions. Unfortunately they are badly run from top to bottom. The organisatonal skills of the EoS running the juniors would be real progression. Bur the juniors dosent cover the borders so it's actually inaccurate to say there regions are better. Even in the juniors i always felt Tayside should have been north and not in East region 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said: Bur the juniors dosent cover the borders so it's actually inaccurate to say there regions are better. Even in the juniors i always felt Tayside should have been north and not in East region I may be recalling wrong but weren't Tayside clubs going to join the North at one point when reconstruction happened back in 2002? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) I remember that as well as being what was initially proposed for a north superleague but neither the Tayside or north clubs wanted it, so the only way to get the superleagues through the various agms was to have them in the east. Edited December 13, 2018 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Heid Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Bur the juniors dosent cover the borders so it's actually inaccurate to say there regions are better. Even in the juniors i always felt Tayside should have been north and not in East region Not sure that's correct - nothing in the rules to exclude them? EoS stops at the Tay. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Auld Heid said: Not sure that's correct - nothing in the rules to exclude them? EoS stops at the Tay. Their latest advert suggests so also suggests it doesn't cover falkirk now either 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumbo Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Clubs who have applied for licence to be audited on 2019 requirements. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 Clubs who have applied for licence to be audited on 2019 requirements.Where has this come from? I've been advised differently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumbo Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 As the rules stand there is no scope for derogation to those seeking new membership.Need to appeal to SFA board via the Chief executive.This has come from the licensing auditor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 21 minutes ago, Cumbo said: As the rules stand there is no scope for derogation to those seeking new membership. Need to appeal to SFA board via the Chief executive. This has come from the licensing auditor I would absolutely get together with other applicants, EoS & SoS (if any stem from them) to complain the SFA have acted in bad faith. They can't just add a new rule like this having organised audits based on existing existing requirements. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 As the rules stand there is no scope for derogation to those seeking new membership.Need to appeal to SFA board via the Chief executive.This has come from the licensing auditorNot doubting you, but it doesn't tally with what I was told.As I said elsewhere, there is a precedent of the SFA changing requirements midway through a process and having to backtrack, it needs clarification as to what exactly the situation is.The SFA aren't the worlds greatest communicators. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumbo Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I'm just going with my conversation with the license auditor today.Its thrown a spanner in the works of a lot of the clubs who have applied 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Cumbo said: I'm just going with my conversation with the license auditor today. Its thrown a spanner in the works of a lot of the clubs who have applied We're not affected by the floodlights issue, but it first needs clarification and if it is the case they have moved the goalposts, challenged by all of the EoS applicants. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 On 12/12/2018 at 15:59, FairWeatherFan said: Knowing this was round the corner further explains the LL2 Working Group being formed up. The need for floodlights for licensing could be all the excuse for the SJFA to dip out of the pyramid again and limits the scope of any breakaway WoSL. A single division LL2 could take on what would otherwise be the EoS Premier and the divide between EoS First/SoS clubs at tier 7 wouldn't be as great as EoS Premier/SoS at tier 6. Licensing is not necessary at Tier 6, so there would be no need for it to affect a WoSL. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz5 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Have they published the 2019 requirements on the SFA website yet? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vollyman Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 The SFA should get their act together talk about LL2,SPFL3 and now what seems to be a lack of clarity regarding licences and floodlight requirements.These issues do not offer much encouragement to clubs contemplating joining the pyramid system. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramidic Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 43 minutes ago, Vollyman said: The SFA should get their act together talk about LL2,SPFL3 and now what seems to be a lack of clarity regarding licences and floodlight requirements.These issues do not offer much encouragement to clubs contemplating joining the pyramid system. No need contemplate joining the pyramid system - if we are to believe that all Junior Clubs/Leagues ARE NOW TO BE IN - the clubs certainly will be part of the SFA Pyramid next season. The big question for clubs like Armadale Thistle is what Tier do you expect to be joining at? Tier 9 - SJFA East Region Premier League South? Tier 8 - SJFA East Region Superleague? Tier 7 - East of Scotland League Conference ....? NB: You could be at Tier 10 if SPFL3 is delivered! What is the view at Armadale? In my opinion the sooner we are one happy family the better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason King Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Vollyman said: The SFA should get their act together talk about LL2,SPFL3 and now what seems to be a lack of clarity regarding licences and floodlight requirements.These issues do not offer much encouragement to clubs contemplating joining the pyramid system. Not really, its only an issue if you want entry to the real Scottish Cup or are about to enter the LL, backwaters clubs like Armadale and Glenafton are years away from that stage so its not an issue if you are a forward thinking club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 30 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: ...and if it is the case they have moved the goalposts, challenged by all of the EoS applicants. Not sure why would anybody be surprised that they would move the goalposts after what happened previously with the progression clause. The SFA board have always had the ability to tack on extra requirements at their sole discretion, so I suspect this will continue to be a moving target in the years ahead given how low the bar was set initially on entry level and how many clubs potentially want to get in. I doubt cover for 100 with no seats will be the minimum for much longer, for example. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Not sure why would anybody be surprised that they would move the goalposts after what happened previously with the progression clause. The SFA board have always had the ability to tack on extra requirements at their sole discretion, so I suspect this will continue to be a moving target in the years ahead given how low the bar was set initially on entry level and how many clubs potentially want to get in. I doubt cover for 100 with no seats will be the minimum for much longer, for example. The Licence requirements are updated annually, the previous major requirement being covered disabled spaces, this years it's floodlights. The question is how do you apply this, retospectively thereby affecting any clubs going through the process, or only for all new applicants from that date forward. That is what concerns those 15 or so clubs right this moment, and what needs clarified and if neccesary, challenged. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I would read the rules on this. Think you'll find they have a clause in there to basically do whatever they want with no possibility of appeal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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