Calling Cards of Morons

[19QOS19]

5 minutes ago, coprolite said:

They’d have been ignored standing out the front. They wanted publicity, and got it. 

Whether or not you agree with their cause or their tactics, it was a minor success for them.

They want the sport banned and it won't be happening. Experts in racing are saying their actions caused needless distress to the animals they were they protesting about. If they see that as a victory I won't argue. 

[coprolite]

4 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:

They want the sport banned and it won't be happening. Experts in racing are saying their actions caused needless distress to the animals they were they protesting about. If they see that as a victory I won't argue. 

Wouldn’t want anyone needlessly distressing the horses now. 

[19QOS19]

2 minutes ago, coprolite said:

Wouldn’t want anyone needlessly distressing the horses now. 

Not if you're an Animals Rights activist, you'd have thought. 

[coprolite]

2 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:

Not if you're an Animals Rights activist, you'd have thought. 

So that’d be why they’re trying to get horse racing stopped then.

[19QOS19]

5 minutes ago, coprolite said:

So that’d be why they’re trying to get horse racing stopped then.

And to get back to my original point - they'd have been just as successful at achieving that had they stood out the front. 

[coprolite]

1 minute ago, 19QOS19 said:

And to get back to my original point - they'd have been just as successful at achieving that had they stood out the front. 

That wasn’t their objective though, that’s their overall aim.

Their objective was to get publicity.

I don’t think that they’ll get racing stopped any time soon but they have kept the possibility as a public talking point. 
 

The individuals involved will also get kudos from the others in their wee gang that they wouldn’t have got for placarding outside. Some of them might even get their hole.

 They’ll definitely think they’ve scored a victory.

[Todd_is_God]

On 15/04/2023 at 17:08, 19QOS19 said:

Grand National so that means these muppets care about horses today. No sign of them any other time of the year. Attention seeking fannies IMO. 

See also those that don't seem to be able to understand that the Grand National Festival and Grand National are not the same.

Claiming "The Grand National is unsafe because 3 horses died" is at best disingenuous, at worst deliberately misleading.

Ultimately, there were just 4 fallers in the Grand National itself. Unless you are planning on banning jumps racing altogether then i'm not sure what more they can really do to "make it safer." Horses can (and do) fall and break legs/necks over hurdles never mind fences.

Reducing the size of the field / fences to me is little more than a soundbite from those that know little about racing. The Scottish Grand National at Ayr next week has a smaller field, shorter hurdles, and is ran over a shorter distance and there will still almost certainly be fallers. Just like with the Welsh and Irish Nationals before it, however, there will be no protests and no-one will care.

Saturday was just another excuse for troublemakers to cause disruption.

[coprolite]

14 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

See also those that don't seem to be able to understand that the Grand National Festival and Grand National are not the same.

Claiming "The Grand National is unsafe because 3 horses died" is at best disingenuous, at worst deliberately misleading.

Ultimately, there were just 4 fallers in the Grand National itself. Unless you are planning on banning jumps racing altogether then i'm not sure what more they can really do to "make it safer." Horses can (and do) fall and break legs/necks over hurdles never mind fences.

Reducing the size of the field / fences to me is little more than a soundbite from those that know little about racing. The Scottish Grand National at Ayr next week has a smaller field, shorter hurdles, and is ran over a shorter distance and there will still almost certainly be fallers. Just like with the Welsh and Irish Nationals before it, however, there will be no protests and no-one will care.

Saturday was just another excuse for troublemakers to cause disruption.

Not sure “loads of horses die at the racing, nothing you can do about that” is quite the mic drop.

Last week paragraph is outstandingly maily. 

 

[Todd_is_God]

32 minutes ago, coprolite said:

Not sure “loads of horses die at the racing, nothing you can do about that” is quite the mic drop.

Last week paragraph is outstandingly maily. 

The point is "you should make the Grand National safer" really is a daft thing to say. It's overly simplistic and is undefineable.

There have been only 5 deaths since 2012, and none at all between 2013 & 2018. The race was not any more or less safe in 2018 than it is now, so what exactly do they want?

The deadliest National of all time had just 29 runners so reducing the field isn't the simple answer either.

They have made it safer since the early 90s (by lowering the fence height despite this increasing the pace of the race), but you can't make jumps racing "safe"

As with most of these yuppy protests it is opportunistic, troublemaking nonsense.

Edited April 17, 2023 by Todd_is_God

[coprolite]

11 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

The point is "you should make the Grand National safer" really is a daft thing to say. It's overly simplistic and is undefineable.

There have been only 5 deaths since 2012, and none at all between 2013 & 2018. The race was not any more or less safe in 2018 than it is now, so what exactly do they want?

They have made it safer since the early 90s, but you can't make jumps racing "safe"

As with most of these yippy protests it is opportunistic, troublemaking nonsense.

Animal Rising don’t appear to have much of a coherent strategy beyond “do protests, that’ll save the world”.
 

It was their protest. They don’t want to make jump racing safer.

what exactly do they want? They want to stop it.

https://www.animalrising.org/how-we-achieve-change

Good consistency with the Maily closing paragraph. Maybe add “get a haircut”?

 

[19QOS19]

7 minutes ago, coprolite said:

Animal Rising don’t appear to have much of a coherent strategy beyond “do protests, that’ll save the world”.
 

It was their protest. They don’t want to make jump racing safer.

what exactly do they want? They want to stop it.

https://www.animalrising.org/how-we-achieve-change

Good consistency with the Maily closing paragraph. Maybe add “get a haircut”?

 

There was a lassie on the tele this morning who was lifted on Saturday during the protests. Her time on the show kind of confirms your first paragraph tbh. She started off by saying it was barbaric and she wanted it to stop completely. When challenged that she wanted thousands of people to lose their jobs within the sport she claimed that wasn't the case and that they were keen to sit down with the sporting authorities to discuss how to make the sport more safe. Before later saying she wanted it banned again. She kind of flapped when it was pointed out to her about their website focussing on wanting the world on a plant based diet and if this was just a publicity stunt for another cause and they were using horse racing as some kind of excuse: she went on to say they have something else planned for the summertime at another event. She was trying to compare the sport to dog fighting and fox hunting which I thought was ludicrous as well. 

TL;DR - it's going to be hard for them to get people on board when they don't appear to know what it is they're fighting for themselves.  

[Todd_is_God]

10 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:

it's going to be hard for them to get people on board when they don't appear to know what it is they're fighting for themselves.  

They are middle class yuppies, the type used to getting everything their own way, looking for any excuse to indulge in behaviour that would be otherwise viewed as unacceptable within their social circles.

The truncheons to their faces aren't hard enough IMO.

[Dirty Sanchez]

I heard a caller to a radio phone in saying, when a horse breaks its leg, the trainer should be liable to keep it and cover its medical bills for the rest of its life.

[Todd_is_God]

17 minutes ago, Dirty Sanchez said:

I heard a caller to a radio phone in saying, when a horse breaks its leg, the trainer should be liable to keep it and cover its medical bills for the rest of its life.

The fact they said the trainer and not the owner should have had them laughed off the phone.

[Todd_is_God]

In a similar vein, someone pointed to there only being 17 finishers as proof the race is too long (you'd never have just 17 cars from 40 finish an F1 race was their incredible comparison), seemingly completely oblivious as to why race horses are pulled up all the time, and why this is better for their welfare than trying to force them to complete the race.

[19QOS19]

33 minutes ago, Dirty Sanchez said:

I heard a caller to a radio phone in saying, when a horse breaks its leg, the trainer should be liable to keep it and cover its medical bills for the rest of its life.

https://youtu.be/Q-EStdvjd_8

[Dan Steele]

58 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:

She kind of flapped when it was pointed out to her about their website focussing on wanting the world on a plant based diet and if this was just a publicity stunt for another cause and they were using horse racing as some kind of excuse:

You'd think they'd be all for the horses, then. Horses leading the way there.

[Todd_is_God]

I see the latest yuppy nonsense is to throw orange powder on a, famously environmentally unfriendly, snooker table.

Truncheon to the face for these vandals.

[19QOS19]

4 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

I see the latest yuppy nonsense is to throw orange powder on a, famously environmentally unfriendly, snooker table.

Truncheon to the face for these vandals.

Just saw that. Haven't bothered to read into it - what's the story there? They upset with the baws or something? 

[Todd_is_God]

2 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:

Just saw that. Haven't bothered to read into it - what's the story there? They upset with the baws or something? 

As usual, opportunistic, troublemaking nonsense.