When Will Bigotry Be Addressed In Scottish Football?

[Jacksgranda]

2 minutes ago, 7-2 said:

So-called politicisation is just their way of trying to get round the sectarianism label. Once again it's why something is said or done that determines its purpose not the actual words or action.  The anti-poppy stuff is 100% sectarian as is everything in bigot brothers agenda.

The poppy is not a protestant symbol.

[Guest]

This is human nature as opposed to "scottish football", there will always be bigots, morons, nutters and headcases, however the important thing is that this becomes the minority as opposed to the majority and in fairness we're heading down the right road with that, but to totally eradicate any form of hatred from every individual is something which will NEVER be attainable.

My own opinion is that both sides of the old firm don't do enough to stop religious bigotry and in fact they actually base their business models in exploiting this for financial gain, so until this is stopped the reality will be that those two clubs in particular will continue to attract most of the degenerates in our society..............

[Old Pack]

The Poppy haters need a good kicking simple as that.

[Squirrelhumper]

3 hours ago, The OP said:

That is an offensive song, possibly more offensive than IRA chanting, but the type which would be condoned on here because it's the type of chant other sets of supporters would indulge in. 

Aye, chanting about fictional bonfires is definitely more offensive than singing about actual murders that have happened.

jesus wept.

[Unleash The Nade]

22 minutes ago, BawWatchin said:

Unless it's against Hibs or Celtic. They make it loud and clear from the so called "family friendly" stand.

No they don’t 

[Squirrelhumper]

2 hours ago, EpicMike said:

It's about refusing to celebrate the British Armed forces over their actions in Ireland, particularly the Bloody Sunday massacre. Their choice I suppose, it's just rather bizarre that your choice of football team informs your political views.

See this is why I don't get the James McLean bashing. He chooses not to wear the poppy, which is 100% his right and given the actions of the British Army in Derry is very understandable. I don't get why he is made to explain it every year though and made a villain in the media.

It's a personal choice, it shouldn't be mandatory to wear one yet anyone on TV is made to wear one (Jon Snow being a rare exception and somebody with a backbone to stick to their beliefs)

The way Rangers turn it into a Unionist Circus every year is just as disrespectful as Celtic refusing to wear it IMO.

[The_Judge]

11 minutes ago, ali_91 said:

I personally don’t wear a poppy, in my opinion it’s been hijacked by the right wing,. 

If that's your only reason for not wearing it then surely you're then allowing it to be hijacked? 

Bad things happen when good men do nothing....?

[Squirrelhumper]

31 minutes ago, Unleash The Nade said:

The majority of Hearts supporters sing “ The Gorgie Boys “

The majority of Celtic supporters sing pro IRA songs 

All Rangers supporters sing the Billy Boys

Sounded like a very, very local minority when I watched the Edinburgh derby back last night singing "****** blood".

Okay then, Hearts and Rangers are the only two teams to sing a bigot version.

 

[Guest]

Most people in this country, irrespective of their religion or football team which they support, will have lost relatives in wars whether it be grandparents, great grandparents, great uncles, etc, etc, and most of us over 35 will have grown up at a time where it was seen as normal to show respect by wearing a poppy.

Unfortunately this has been hijacked in recent years by idiots both for and against to suit their own political agendas, however it should remain up to the individual to wear or not to wear a poppy and so long as everyone shows respect to each other then it's really nobody else's business what someone does.

Sadly some seem to believe that poppy wearers are died in the wool Unionists and Loyalists and those not wearing poppies are Irish Republicans or Extremist Scottish Nationalists.

Oh dear...........

[craigkillie]

1 hour ago, G_Man1985 said:

Yes they should be kept seperate.

Did you express this viewpoint when Dundee brought out their camouflage away strip to "SUPPORT OUR TROOPS"?

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, G_Man1985 said:

Heading down the right road ? It's getting worse with the growth of this green brigade bullshit.

2 smoke bombs went off and hardly a mention....
If this had happened at parkhead from the away support something would be done about it

Ita bullshit

The old/new firm are arseholes.

You're making the mistake there of equating "Scottish Football" to "Old Firm", I'd agree that they certainly aren't improving much but I believe the rest of us all tend to be a bit more mature and grown up about things (Edinburgh Derbies aside)............

[accies1874]

There are good c***s who wear poppies.
There are good c***s who refuse to wear poppies.
There aren't any good c***s who sing about shoving poppies up your arse.

[BawWatchin]

22 minutes ago, Unleash The Nade said:

No they don’t 

You're in denial pal.

[DA Baracus]

24 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said:

See this is why I don't get the James McLean bashing. He chooses not to wear the poppy, which is 100% his right and given the actions of the British Army in Derry is very understandable. I don't get why he is made to explain it every year though and made a villain in the media.

It's a personal choice, it shouldn't be mandatory to wear one yet anyone on TV is made to wear one (Jon Snow being a rare exception and somebody with a backbone to stick to their beliefs)

The way Rangers turn it into a Unionist Circus every year is just as disrespectful as Celtic refusing to wear it IMO.

Except it's not in the slightest bit disrespectful not to wear it.

[The OP]

29 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said:

Aye, chanting about fictional bonfires is definitely more offensive than singing about actual murders that have happened.

jesus wept.

What actual murders do people sing about? I mean folk sing about Sean South of Garryowen but he was a soldier engaged in a war. And they sing about Joseph Plunkett but he was executed. Bobby Sands starved himself to death. 

[DA Baracus]

Anyway, back to the topic at hand.

If it was ever addressed then Celtic and Sevco would be charged every single week and would end up in the Lowland League due to the points deductions, playing in closed stadiums. This is because it happens at every single game these clubs play.

 

The SFA and SPFL don’t cover it up; they just ignore it. They just pretend it isn’t happening. Of course they serve Celtic and Sevco like scummy little bootlicking cowards, and most of them will be fans of the two clubs and guilty of it as well, so they don’t even want to hear of the issue. At most they’ll claim that perhaps it happened once or twice and it was a minority. In reality it happens every single game and is the vast majority.

 

They are also scared to challenge them because they are afraid of them. They think the game revolves around them, and do their best to make sure that is the case, and don’t want to upset the cartel them probably sees them make plenty of money off of them as well.

 

The clubs themselves do everything to stoke it, because it makes them a lot of money. Just look at the merchandise they produce, the strip design and colours, the colour of the seats in their stadium, their programmes, the music they play at their grounds; everything is geared to promoting the bigotry and thus the sales.

 

The media are complicit in this too. They should be reporting it every single game. They don’t even mention. They will make a big fuss when for example a player is racially abused at any game (and rightly so), but there isn’t a single reference to the bigoted singing we hear in every single game. Again, this is because they profit from it themselves, and most of the are fans of the two clubs and are guilty of it.

 

On the radio if you hear someone swearing the presenters fall over themselves to apologise, yet they don’t say a single thing about the thousands of cretins singing their filth. I’m sure some of the TV stations turn the mics beside the crowd down when they start it as well, yet make no reference to that at all.

 

Even the police ignore it. They are in higher numbers at games involving the shitey scum that follow Celtic and Sevco yet do nothing. In fact they outright treat these fans differently to fans of other teams by letting them away with standing in stairwells and the like. They should be making thousands of arrests every single game. Obviously this isn’t feasible, so they should be closing Celtic Park and Ibrox and banning the Celtic and Sevco mutants from attending games at other grounds. They could let maybe a hundred or so attend, and if they behave then let more, but cut the allocation as soon as the shite starts again.

 

There are plenty of laws that give the police plenty of powers to do something about it. We don’t need bullshit legislation that tiptoes around the issue like the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act.

 

 

But we all know absolutely nothing will happen, ever.

[Dons_1988]

Football will always be used as a vehicle for younger (and in some tragic cases older) guys to get tanked up and push the boundaries of social acceptability.  They're attracted to OF away games because its loud and boisterous and boozy.  This will always be the case IMO and in some ways isn't an awful thing.  Most teenage/adolescent guys go through that phase, football can often be a safer way of channelling it than others.

Unfortunately the lunatic older guys who attach them to some sort of 'cause' should be ashamed of themselves.  I have seen 18/19 year old guys at Aberdeen been convinced by men in their 40's that being a casual is actually something to strive for or that it means anything at all.  Often just young guys that want to feel part of something misled by people who should really know better.

That's all that happens here really, young guys pushing boundaries without actually knowing what they're doing or what it means.  You would guess that one day they will realise how foolish they look.  Most will, some won't and unfortunately will stick around to bring through the next generation.

 

[DA Baracus]

Just now, The OP said:

What actual murders do people sing about? I mean folk sing about Sean South of Garryowen but he was a soldier engaged in a war. And they sing about Joseph Plunkett but he was executed. Bobby Sands starved himself to death. 

Who the f**k are these utter nobodies?

[accies1874]

Not allowing away fans in would just be a disaster. It'd result in them taking over the home end, leading to incidents worse than sing songs.
The only thing that would stop it would be deducting points, which is obviously never going to happen as it would lead to the SFA/SPFL getting much more hassle than they are for their members' fans singing songs.
It was brought up at our fans' forum earlier in the year and I'm pretty sure our chairman said nothing will happen as Celtic and Rangers would have to vote for it.

[paul wright scores]

12 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

Anyway, back to the topic at hand.

If it was ever addressed then Celtic and Sevco would be charged every single week and would end up in the Lowland League due to the points deductions, playing in closed stadiums. This is because it happens at every single game these clubs play.

The SFA and SPFL don’t cover it up; they just ignore it. They just pretend it isn’t happening. Of course they serve Celtic and Sevco like scummy little bootlicking cowards, and most of them will be fans of the two clubs and guilty of it as well, so they don’t even want to hear of the issue. At most they’ll claim that perhaps it happened once or twice and it was a minority. In reality it happens every single game and is the vast majority.

They are also scared to challenge them because they are afraid of them. They think the game revolves around them, and do their best to make sure that is the case, and don’t want to upset the cartel them probably sees them make plenty of money off of them as well.

The clubs themselves do everything to stoke it, because it makes them a lot of money. Just look at the merchandise they produce, the strip design and colours, the colour of the seats in their stadium, their programmes, the music they play at their grounds; everything is geared to promoting the bigotry and thus the sales.

The media are complicit in this too. They should be reporting it every single game. They don’t even mention. They will make a big fuss when for example a player is racially abused at any game (and rightly so), but there isn’t a single reference to the bigoted singing we hear in every single game. Again, this is because they profit from it themselves, and most of the are fans of the two clubs and are guilty of it.

On the radio if you hear someone swearing the presenters fall over themselves to apologise, yet they don’t say a single thing about the thousands of cretins singing their filth. I’m sure some of the TV stations turn the mics beside the crowd down when they start it as well, yet make no reference to that at all.

Even the police ignore it. They are in higher numbers at games involving the shitey scum that follow Celtic and Sevco yet do nothing. In fact they outright treat these fans differently to fans of other teams by letting them away with standing in stairwells and the like. They should be making thousands of arrests every single game. Obviously this isn’t feasible, so they should be closing Celtic Park and Ibrox and banning the Celtic and Sevco mutants from attending games at other grounds. They could let maybe a hundred or so attend, and if they behave then let more, but cut the allocation as soon as the shite starts again.

There are plenty of laws that give the police plenty of powers to do something about it. We don’t need bullshit legislation that tiptoes around the issue like the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act.

But we all know absolutely nothing will happen, ever.

Brilliant - couldn't have worded it any better.