Scotland First Country To Introduce LGBT Lessons

[BawWatchin]

11 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

When your only argument against schoolchildren being informed about LBGT issues is that 5 year olds would be instructed in gay sex, it's hard to engage in meaningful debate with you.

I asked you on this thread before how else they would explain it and you still haven't given me an answer. How can a 5 year old discriminate against the LBGT community when it isn't explained to them what it actually is?

[Jacksgranda]

1 hour ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

Any senior member of the Catholic Church claiming this is going to teach young boys about homosexual sexual practises has a right fucking brass neck on them after they've been illicitly at it for centuries.

Maybe that's the secret for eternal life...

[BawWatchin]

6 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

Well... in this case yes. But I presume you mean in general.

In general some of my "leftist" opinions include a property value tax instead of a council tax or free accommodation for students. You, and anyone else, is most welcome to debate and argue the benefits and negatives of these points and come up with a conclusion based on these sharing of ideas and reading of the particulars. I, myself, have been known to flip/flop/waiver on certain economic arguments from a socialist point of view (which caused much disgruntlement at the West Tottenham Trotskyist Association AGM let me tell you. The other guy was furious)

But my "leftist agenda" is simple: LGBT people are absolutely equal in all ways to heterosexual people and they deserve to have their atypical situation given a fair and balanced reading in the education system.

Yeah, if you disagree with that there must be something wrong with you, and that something is homophobia

I agree, they are equal. So why not have posters, parades etc to celebrate ALL sexual diversities. Instead of only one's that exclude hetrosexualism? What's wrong with being hetrosexual? Don't I have a right to scream from the ruth tops about how proud I am of my sexuality, just like all other sexualities? If we are "equal", why can't I do this without being discriminated against?

As for "leftist opinions". Not everybody who considers themselves left wing will agree with all of the ideologies that you agree with.

[AsimButtHitsASix]

2 minutes ago, BawWatchin said:

I asked you on this thread before how else they would explain it and you still haven't given me an answer.

"This is Tom. Tom is in love with David. David and Tom are married. Two men can get married and it's no different to a man and a woman being married or two women being married or being in any other form of relationship. Also David likes felching"

Simple really

[BawWatchin]

Just now, AsimButtHitsASix said:

"This is Tom. Tom is in love with David. David and Tom are married. Two men can get married and it's no different to a man and a woman being married or two women being married or being in any other form of relationship. Also David likes felching"

Simple really

But that's spreading misinformation. To claim that 2 people of the same gender being married is exactly the same as 2 people of different genders being married is factually incorrect. If that's what's being taught, then they're being taught a lie.

[BawWatchin]

1 minute ago, MixuFixit said:

Teacher: A man can love a woman. A man can love a man. A woman can love a wonan. This is all fine.

5 year old: Sound. Got it.

I hope that clarifies the matter.

That doesn't explain it. Because at that age a 5 year old doesn't understand what that kind of love actually is. They're not going to say "sound, got it". They're kids, they're going to ask more questions and are going to want to know more about it.

[AsimButtHitsASix]

Just now, BawWatchin said:

I agree, they are equal. So why not have posters, parades etc to celebrate ALL sexual diversities. Instead of only one's that exclude hetrosexualism? What's wrong with being hetrosexual? Don't I have a right to scream from the ruth tops about how proud I am of my sexuality, just like all other sexualities? If we are "equal", why can't I do this without being discriminated against?

Because yer gammon as f**k. In any social grouping where one group has a dominant position that suppresses the subservient group any change to that assumption of normality, expectation or dominance is seen by many within that dominant group as an attack or a deligitimising tactic. This is a subjective view and it's unfortunate that it's one you've fallen into and is an expected reactionary viewpoint to take. Objectively, however, it's absolute pish as absolutely any attempt to clarify it will show you.

[welshbairn]

6 minutes ago, BawWatchin said:

I asked you on this thread before how else they would explain it and you still haven't given me an answer. How can a 5 year old discriminate against the LBGT community when it isn't explained to them what it actually is?

5 year olds will probably be told about how storks deliver babies.

[BawWatchin]

Just now, welshbairn said:

5 year olds will probably be told about how storks deliver babies.

Another lie then.

[AsimButtHitsASix]

1 minute ago, BawWatchin said:

But that's spreading misinformation. To claim that 2 people of the same gender being married is exactly the same as 2 people of different genders being married is factually incorrect.

What's the difference? In a legal or social setting what is the difference?

[BawWatchin]

Just now, MixuFixit said:

1 minute ago, BawWatchin said:

That doesn't explain it. Because at that age a 5 year old doesn't understand what that kind of love actually is. They're not going to say "sound, got it". They're kids, they're going to ask more questions and are going to want to know more about it.

This is somehow... bad?

Yes, just because a child wants to know more about something, doesn't mean they're ready to know about it. But if the educational system begins to dabble in this LBGT stuff, kids are going to start asking more questions about things that they aren't ready to know about. So either teachers confuse them by telling them the truth, or they lie to them. Neither is a good option in my opinion.

[Romeo]

Just now, BawWatchin said:

Yes, just because a child wants to know more about something, doesn't mean they're ready to know about it. But if the educational system begins to dabble in this LBGT stuff, kids are going to start asking more questions about things that they aren't ready to know about. So either teachers confuse them by telling them the truth, or they lie to them. Neither is a good option in my opinion.

You seem to have decided at what age children need to know things.

You are most definetely oftw.

[Jeff Venom]

I must have missed where 5 years old was the age decided to roll this out from, anyone point me to it?

[BawWatchin]

1 minute ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

What's the difference? In a legal or social setting what is the difference?

Same gender couples can't procreate. That's a pretty major difference. If they adopt a child, they may well be great parents, i'm not arguing against that. But if both parents are mothers or fathers, then that child is going to lack a true mother or father figure in their life which is undoubtedly going to have some impact on the balance of their development. We see this issue with single parents all the time.

[BawWatchin]

2 minutes ago, Romeo said:

You seem to have decided at what age children need to know things.

You are most definetely oftw.

How about the age when they start thinking about these things naturally, instead of having it enforced upon them?

[AsimButtHitsASix]

1 minute ago, BawWatchin said:

Same gender couples can't procreate. That's a pretty major difference.

So if a woman has a hysterectomy earlier in life due to illness and then gets married is that different than any other same sex marriage?

If a couple gets married but don't want to have children is that a major difference?

[Romeo]

How about the age when they start thinking about these things naturally, instead of having it enforced upon them?

What age would that be then, you seem to think all children are the same.

[carpetmonster]

That doesn't explain it. Because at that age a 5 year old doesn't understand what that kind of love actually is. They're not going to say "sound, got it". They're kids, they're going to ask more questions and are going to want to know more about it.

Eh. When my 4YO went to a gay wedding her only questions revolved around could she get her nails painted and what would be for dessert?

[BawWatchin]

7 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

So if a woman has a hysterectomy earlier in life due to illness and then gets married is that different than any other same sex marriage?

If a couple gets married but don't want to have children is that a major difference?

Yes. Because even if they adopt a child, that child will have gender balance in their upbringing.

If a female couple decide to adopt a male, or decide to give birth to a boy via artficial assimilation. With no major male role model in their life, where is that boy going to develop his masculine traits? What if he grows up a hetrosexual male, but can't attract a female counterpart, because he lacks the masculine traits to do so? The world is still going to judge him for being a man, but on the inside, he isn't going to be prepared to take on the world as a man, because those skill sets were lacking in his upbringing.

Edited November 12, 2018 by BawWatchin

[carpetmonster]

IT'S SPELLED FUCKING HETERO FOR FUCKS SAKE