NotThePars Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Oh come on. Everyone knows Cold Stone Ian Austin. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Can't wait for Corbyn to step down and be replaced by a suit. Then we can have 3 main UK parties. The Conservatives and 2 other parties desperately trying to out-conservative one another for 2nd place. Glorious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jambo-rocker Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 30 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Oh come on. Everyone knows Cold Stone Ian Austin. Who? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Is there really no "Corbyn, but remain" with a full set of teeth in Labour?McDonnell potentially. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) 43 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: Can't wait for Corbyn to step down and be replaced by a suit. Then we can have 3 main UK parties. The Conservatives and 2 other parties desperately trying to out-conservative one another for 2nd place. Glorious. It's truly bizarre that people still think that a useless mumbleclown and the Labour Party are the only possible messengers for progressive politics in the UK. Edited February 22, 2019 by vikingTON 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 minute ago, virginton said: It's truly bizarre that people still think that a useless mumbleclown and the Labour Party are the best messengers for progressive politics in the UK. Indeed. What is even more bizarre is that people still think that the UK is the route to progressive politics in Scotland, despite none of the UK political parties who can realistically win a UK election being remotely progressive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, virginton said: It's truly bizarre that people still think that a useless mumbleclown and the Labour Party are the only possible messengers for progressive politics in the UK. Who do you suggest then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Detournement said: Who do you suggest then? Well John McDonnell is somewhat less incompetent than his mumbleclown superior for a start; then you'd have to pick from the tens of thousands of grassroots members that the Labour left claim to be revolutionising their party. Having the same set of policies presented by a leader who isn't already viewed unfavourably by fully half of the electorate is hardly a stunning new route to electoral success champ. Meanwhile, if Momentum and the rest of the entryists really believe what they say about the power of grassroots organisation, then they could just as easily put it behind Caroline Lucas and the Greens: a far more effective political leader and a more consistently progressive political party than British Labour has ever been. But of course the agenda is not actually about delivering progressive change for the UK - rather, it's about settling all the old scores kept for decades by the dinosaurs on the Labour left and entrenching the likes of Len McCluskey's position within their useless husk of a party. Edited February 22, 2019 by vikingTON 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Caroline Lucas 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 28 minutes ago, Detournement said: Caroline Lucas Anthony C Pick 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Caroline Lucas [emoji38]HB 🤣🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieThomas Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 3 hours ago, BawWatchin said: Can't wait for Corbyn to step down and be replaced by a suit. Then we can have 3 main UK parties. The Conservatives and 2 other parties desperately trying to out-conservative one another for 2nd place. Glorious. This is close to my thoughts. The IG want to sideline Labour and make UK politics the same as the US - a straight choice between right and centre right - and boy can I tell you how fucking brilliant that is. Spoiler Narrator's voice: But it is not fucking brilliant 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Pauli said: I'm just waiting for John Mann to join them..in full Moses Garb calling for Corbyn to set his people free. There will be further defections. They will happen in ones and two with the aim of keeping the ‘story’ live and with the intent of causing maximum damage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: There will be further defections. They will happen in ones and two with the aim of keeping the ‘story’ live and with the intent of causing maximum damage. I think what seems to be getting missed here is that irrespective of whether Labour has or hasn't "lurched to the left", it's up to the grassroots Labour membership to decide how they want the party run and NOT a dozen or so careerist politicians who are only there to REPRESENT said people. If the electorate and the membership (the ones who matter) don't like Corbyn then they'll be quick enough in removing him at the polls, however so far we're just not seeing that with Labour membership now at record levels which is another thing which seems to have been conveniently forgotten. Maybe then these "defectors" are doing the right thing as obviously they should never have associated themselves with a socialist party in the first place but by the same token they used that banner to get elected, so, if they had anything about them whatsoever, they would be stepping down as members of parliament and then attempting to be re-elected as independents but of course that just isn't happening, is it ?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, WATTOO said: I think what seems to be getting missed here is that irrespective of whether Labour has or hasn't "lurched to the left", it's up to the grassroots Labour membership to decide how they want the party run and NOT a dozen or so careerist politicians who are only there to REPRESENT said people. ...except when it comes to dealing with the biggest political crisis in decades, in which the pro-Brexit whims of the Mumbleclown's inner circle in fact override the much-vaunted 'grassroots membership' in the process every single time. Funny that! Quote with Labour membership now at record levels which is another thing which seems to have been conveniently forgotten. Not so much 'conveniently forgotten' as 'completely disregarded', as there is no evidence that Labour in 2019 currently enjoys record levels of membership. Edited February 22, 2019 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, virginton said: ...except when it comes to dealing with the biggest political crisis in decades, in which the pro-Brexit whims of the Mumbleclown's inner circle in fact override the much-vaunted 'grassroots membership' in the process every single time. Funny that! Not so much 'conveniently forgotten' as 'completely disregarded', as there is no evidence that Labour in 2019 currently enjoys record levels of membership. Which was caused by the Tories, Corbyn has also never hidden the fact that he was anti Europe irrespective of whether you agree with him or not. It was a known known and he always said he would honour the result of the referendum. There is 100% irrefutable evidence that Labour party membership and indeed support has absolutely soared under Corbyn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, WATTOO said: Which was caused by the Tories, Corbyn has also never hidden the fact that he was anti Europe irrespective of whether you agree with him or not. It was a known known and he always said he would honour the result of the referendum. None of which changes the fact that Labour's policy on the biggest issue facing its electorate and the country in a lifetime isn't in fact being determined by its beloved 'grassroots membership' as you have claimed. It's being determined by a narrow and indeed completely out of touch leadership. If you think that's a demonstration of effective grassroots running of a political party then you are a mug. Quote There is 100% irrefutable evidence that Labour party membership and indeed support has absolutely soared under Corbyn. There is 0% evidence that the Labour Party enjoys record membership levels now, in 2019, which is what you claimed. Membership levels are declining as people turn away from a party that is in a state of absolute shambles behind the scenes and can't hold accountable the most useless and rudderless government since the fucking Lord North administration during the War of American Independence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, virginton said: None of which changes the fact that Labour's policy on the biggest issue facing its electorate and the country in a lifetime isn't in fact being determined by its beloved 'grassroots membership' as you have claimed. It's being determined by a narrow and indeed completely out of touch leadership. If you think that's a demonstration of effective grassroots running of a political party then you are a mug. There is 0% evidence that the Labour Party enjoys record membership levels now, in 2019, which is what you claimed. Membership levels are declining as people turn away from a party that is in a state of absolute shambles behind the scenes and can't hold accountable the most useless and rudderless government since the fucking Lord North administration during the War of American Independence. Now who's making things up ? You have no idea how the grassroots members voted and neither do I. You also have no idea if "membership levels are declining as people turn away in their droves" because you've just made that up !!! Good try though............. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, WATTOO said: Now who's making things up ?You have no idea how the grassroots members voted and neither do I. No, you have no idea - or at least aren't willing to do some basic research and face the facts - there is plenty of evidence showing what your beloved 'grassroots membership' think on the issue (surprise: it is in stark contrast to the stance of the Great Leader): http://www.sussex.ac.uk/broadcast/read/47281 Quote You also have no idea if "membership levels are declining as people turn away in their droves" because you've just made that up !!! Think you'll find that between widespread media reports as well as leaked party membership figures from north of the border, I have a very good idea of the current trajectory. As does everyone else who doesn't subscribe to the weirdo personality cult surrounding the Mumbleclown. Who, outside of your echo chamber, is currently viewed as the most incompetent political leader in the country: Which quite some achievement when you think about British politics right now. Edited February 22, 2019 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 That's nothing to do with constant negative press coverage though is it? Centrist douche's being permaraging because the Labour leadership aren't doing exactly what they want on Brexit is hilarious. Join the Lib Dems and relax, Vinny Cable has you covered! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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