GordonS Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Just looking at the groups and potential third place finishers. Group A Nigeria on 3 points but with France to play. Lose and they’ll inevitably have a worse goal difference if Scotland win. Group B China or Spain likely. If they draw with each other they’ll be out of our reach. Ideally, Spain to beat China by 2 goals leaving them on -2 goal difference Group C Australia should beat Jamaica. Brazil on +2 so unless they get hammered by Italy then should finish with a better record Group E Cameroon and NZ both on 0 points, -3 goal difference and playing each other. A draw would be perfect. Either wins by just one goal and they’d still finish short. Group F Chile and Thailand on zero points and playing each other. Chile the only ones with an outside chance but currently sitting on -5 goal difference. Would need to beat Thailand by 4 at least All presumes a Scotland win of course which is the ultimate wild card Group E - if New Zealand win by two they'd also need to score three to match a 1-0 for us, as we'd have scored three. They've not scored any so far.If NZ v Cameroon ends 3-1 to NZ, or 2-0 to Cameroon, and we win 1-0, or any consequent scores above that, we'll be tied with the third placed team in that group. At that point we'd be separated on fair play points.Going out on fair play points is amazingly one of the few ways we've not been eliminated from a tournament, so it would be the Scottish thing to do.Can't believe how much I've missed the mass calculus that comes with Scotland in a major tournament. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Just checked and on fair play points we are on -3, NZ are on 0 and Cameroon on -5. I can see us v Argentina getting niggly and our centre halves are always a yellow waiting to happen, so it doesn't look good for us on that front. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) Today's ideal results for Scotland... In the 5pm games... Spain beat China 1-0, 2-1 or by two or more goals OR China beat Spain by three or more goals AND South Africa lose, draw or win by one goal against Germany In the 8pm games... France beat Nigeria OR South Korea beat Norway by exactly four goals. Edited June 17, 2019 by Bully Wee Villa 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnash Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 If Scotland win.... We're a stick on to finish above the 3rd place team in group A, probably Nigeria after they lose to France. Don't worry about it. Not a great chance with group B and virtually none with group C. Don't worry about them. We'll almost certainly need to wait from group E and F. F gives us an excellent chance as realistically Chile need to win by at least 5 goals. In short, if we win, we almost certainly qualify. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 I can see Chile winning by loads. Hope Spain can do us a favour and France win so we would know for certain that any win would be enough when we kick off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Today's ideal results for Scotland... In the 5pm games... Spain beat China 1-0, 2-1 or by two or more goals OR China beat Spain by three or more goals AND South Africa lose, draw or win by one goal against Germany In the 8pm games... France beat Nigeria OR South Korea beat Norway by exactly four goals. Even a narrow win for the Chinese would be enough if we can win by a couple on Wednesday. At least it would give us a target to aim for... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 I don't wanna be having to win by a few, ideally! A two-nil Chinese win and it could go down to disciplinary record, that would be a very nervy way to qualify! Anyway I can see Spain and China conspiring a draw just to be spoilsports. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Today's ideal results for Scotland... In the 5pm games... Spain beat China 1-0, 2-1 or by two or more goals OR China beat Spain by three or more goals AND South Africa lose, draw or win by one goal against Germany In the 8pm games... France beat Nigeria OR South Korea beat Norway by exactly four goals. I don’t fancy South Africa to keep Germany to fewer than two goals. The South African defending for the goal just now was enough to make Shelley Kerr embarrassed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roverthemoon Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 19 hours ago, Lurkst said: If Spain win either only 1-0 or 2-1 we'd finish above China with any win. This game is a stick on draw so they both go through 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuctifano Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) Was just about to say there's zero incentive with Germany clearly going to win vs SA for Spain vs China to be anything other than a draw. 6/4 in play if you are of a cynical mind. Edited June 17, 2019 by Fuctifano 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 China and Spain playing like they'd take the draw right now. Not quite West Germany v Austria though, Spain are trying to be progressive without committing numbers, but China are rigidly set up to defend. We're getting no joy from this group. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roverthemoon Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Our best hope was that keeper being clumsy and getting sent off early on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 44 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: I don’t fancy South Africa to keep Germany to fewer than two goals. The South African defending for the goal just now was enough to make Shelley Kerr embarrassed. It was the other way round, only a German defeat by two or more goals could have adversely affected Scotland. As it is, I think it's safe to say we can concentrate on the China Spain game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Spain seem determined not to score. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Why the f**k are they taking short corners against China??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Chinese keeper is excellent. Not sure why that should surprise me, but it does. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keptie Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Just caught the last 20 minutes and Spain are definitely trying to win it, China keeper making a couple of great saves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QwaarJet Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 So, we're screwed now, yes? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roverthemoon Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 minute ago, QwaarJet said: So, we're screwed now, yes? Nope. Still options in other groups. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Problem is (if we do win) the teams following on will have a target to aim for. Hopefully the Italians can stick a couple past Brazil tomorrow... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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