Gender Self-ID

[Kuro]

2 minutes ago, jakedee said:

1 hour ago, Kuro said:

How much is enough?  A swimming pool in Dumfries recently went gender neutral in the changing rooms, now it is averaging one serious sexual assault every three months.  Is that enough?

The old Olympia leisure centre in Dundee had mixed changing areas for years. Never heard of any problems. Must just be Dumfries.

All self contained  cubicles.

[highlandcowden]

14 hours ago, Am Featha *****h Nan Clach said:

As far as I can see the people who oppose this are

 

a) outright bigots

b ) bigots pretending to care about threats to women in changing rooms/toilets from trans women

c) women worried about threats from trans women in changing rooms/toilets

 

Are there many in category c? Genuinely asking as I don't know too much about the subject

 

 

I work in a place where employees can and are searched.female staff are extremely unhappy that someone who has recently self declared is being allowed to be hands on with them

[ForzaDundee]

3 minutes ago, jakedee said:

1 hour ago, Kuro said:

How much is enough?  A swimming pool in Dumfries recently went gender neutral in the changing rooms, now it is averaging one serious sexual assault every three months.  Is that enough?

The old Olympia leisure centre in Dundee had mixed changing areas for years. Never heard of any problems. Must just be Dumfries.

Used to go the the Olympia all the time as a kid and there was all sorts of stuff that went on in those cubicles which would be police matters these days. 

[welshbairn]

19 minutes ago, Kuro said:

Yes, but that's the point.  Self id ends that, you can say you're female and walk into the ladies changing room and start waving your cock about and staring at women and anyone who objects is a bigot.

Bollocks, you'd get arrested and taken to court, probably put on the sex offenders list, same as now. 

[MarkoRaj]

Have I missed something or does this legislation make it legal to wave your cock around and stare at people in changing rooms?

I think Kuro is just jealous tbh

Edited June 15, 2019 by MarkoRaj

[Baxter Parp]

No one seems to answer this
They just keep asking the question to make it seem legitimate but when you actually think about the practical argument of "more access to women" (lolwat) it doesn't really add up to anything

Fucking hell, do you think rapists and perverts only prey on women walking in the woods? If some arsehole thinks he can go to the ladies and expose himself to all and sundry without fear of reprisal, he will fucking do it all bloody day.

[MarkoRaj]

1 minute ago, Baxter Parp said:

2 hours ago, MarkoRaj said:

No one seems to answer this
They just keep asking the question to make it seem legitimate but when you actually think about the practical argument of "more access to women" (lolwat) it doesn't really add up to anything

Fucking hell, do you think rapists and perverts only prey on women walking in the woods? If some arsehole thinks he can go to the ladies and expose himself to all and sundry without fear of reprisal, he will fucking do it all bloody day.

Right

Again, this law doesn't make sexual harassment legal you fucking simpleton

[Baxter Parp]

Right

Again, this law doesn't make sexual harassment legal you fucking simpleton

Please explain how you can object to a self-declared person being in the toilets without being called a bigot or trans phobic.

 

[Kuro]

8 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Bollocks, you'd get arrested and taken to court, probably put on the sex offenders list, same as now. 

No you wouldn't, that's what self id allows.  And that's what you're defending.

Edited June 15, 2019 by Kuro

[NotThePars]

This thread has turned into an episode of Brass Eye and fair play to Peppino and Baxter for keeping the spirit of Chris Morris alive.

[MarkoRaj]

5 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

Please explain how you can object to a self-declared person being in the toilets without being called a bigot or trans phobic.

 

Ok so when you said "expose themselves to all and sundry" you meant quietly get changed without bothering anyone?

Why would you object to that?

[Baxter Parp]

Ok so when you said "expose themselves to all and sundry" you meant quietly get changed without bothering anyone?
Why would you object to that?

If you're going to be deliberately dense, there's not much point in debating the issue. I only found out there was a problem when I asked my wife if she'd ever had someone expose himself to her and she said "Oh yeah, loads of times". From when she was about twelve and in the street, apparently. Now imagine giving those men a free pass to the ladies loos or changing rooms.

[Kuro]

7 minutes ago, MarkoRaj said:

Ok so when you said "expose themselves to all and sundry" you meant quietly get changed without bothering anyone?

Why would you object to that?

What if a women objects to taking her c!othes off near a man who is a stranger also disrobing?  Cause most of them.do, this law is supported by 18% of the public.  There's a reason why we have separate changing rooms you know. I hope you don't have a daughter.

Edited June 15, 2019 by Kuro

[welshbairn]

14 minutes ago, Kuro said:

No you wouldn't, that's what self id allows.  And that's what you're defending.

The proposed changes to the law just make the process of changing your registered gender less cumbersome and bureaucratic. If trans people were going to suddenly spread fear across the land by waving their willies at women everywhere they'd already be doing it, and the papers would be full of it. Instead all you get is Bath boy RTing some fucked up American alt right anti feminist incel and trying to frighten everyone into thinking that's what your average trans person is like.

[Savage Henry]

18 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

This thread has turned into an episode of Brass Eye and fair play to Peppino and Baxter for keeping the spirit of Chris Morris alive.

If people would stop quoting them, that'd be just swell.  

[MarkoRaj]

7 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

14 minutes ago, MarkoRaj said:

Ok so when you said "expose themselves to all and sundry" you meant quietly get changed without bothering anyone?
Why would you object to that?

If you're going to be deliberately dense, there's not much point in debating the issue. I only found out there was a problem when I asked my wife if she'd ever had someone expose himself to her and she said "Oh yeah, loads of times". From when she was about twelve and in the street, apparently. Now imagine giving those men a free pass to the ladies loos or changing rooms.

It's not a free pass though is it?

It's not anything goes, you still have to obey the laws of the land.

What's stopping homosexual assailants from exposing themselves and sexually harassing young people in changing rooms right now? Nothing, except it's against the law

[MarkoRaj]

2 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

If people would stop quoting them, that'd be just swell.  

Good point, apologies

[Kuro]

1 minute ago, welshbairn said:

The proposed changes to the law just make the process of changing your registered gender less cumbersome and bureaucratic. If trans people were going to suddenly spread fear across the land by waving their willies at women everywhere they'd already be doing it, and the papers would be full of it. Instead all you get is Bath boy RTing some fucked up American alt right anti feminist incel and trying to frighten everyone into thinking that's what your average trans person is like.

They make it so you can just decide you're female and that's it you're legally female, without the need for any involvement from.any health professional or any supporting documentation. 

You can even change day to day if you're gender fluid. 

Making it illegal.for anyone to block access to any female only space to anyone who simply says they're female.  And making anyone who objects to that a transphobe and liable to criminal prosecution and dismissal from their job.  You have no idea what you're supporting.

[Baxter Parp]

It's not a free pass though is it?
It's not anything goes, you still have to obey the laws of the land.
What's stopping homosexual assailants from exposing themselves and sexually harassing young people in changing rooms right now? Nothing, except it's against the law

So it's your position that men don't expose themselves to men or boys because it's against the law and therefore men will not expose themselves to women or girls. Let's hope you're right, eh kids?!

[Kuro]

2 minutes ago, MarkoRaj said:

It's not a free pass though is it?

It's not anything goes, you still have to obey the laws of the land.

What's stopping homosexual assailants from exposing themselves and sexually harassing young people in changing rooms right now? Nothing, except it's against the law

Its giving them a free pass to.get.into the environment where that.Might happen, and the fact it's illegal is not going to be much consolation to.the victim after it happens.  You can also already see the defence of I was only.getting changed and how do you disprove that?  

it's not as big an issue in male spaces as, despite some people's opinions, men and women are different and men might kick the shit out of you if you do that.  Women are.not.going to.do the same to a trans man in most cases.