Distant Doonhamer Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 It had never been about bringing ‘democracy’ home! That has all been part of the sham that people have fallen for.I could be wrong here but I suspect that was the point Skelpit Lug was making. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, Distant Doonhamer said: I could be wrong here but I suspect that was the point Skelpit Lug was making. You're not wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 1, 2019 Author Share Posted September 1, 2019 It’s happening 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 No it's fucking notIt’s happening 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 One of the Tory MPs threatened with deselection has claimed that the Government want to lose votes in Parliament so they can call a ‘People v Parliament’ style election. It’s always been the plan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Paco said: One of the Tory MPs threatened with deselection has claimed that the Government want to lose votes in Parliament so they can call a ‘People v Parliament’ style election. It’s always been the plan. Labour’s tactics have been a mixture of good and bad (mostly bad). Agreeing to a GE before Brexit knowing that we can’t stop Brexit would be crazy. If a Hard Brexit can’t be stopped Labour should wait a couple of months before agreeing a GE. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Paco said: One of the Tory MPs threatened with deselection has claimed that the Government want to lose votes in Parliament so they can call a ‘People v Parliament’ style election. It’s always been the plan. It makes sense to me tbh, always thought that Boris was just going for an early election footing and needed to look as extreme as possible to appease Brexit Party but would ideally not have to deal with the consequences. The one wrecking ball that needs to be activated is if the deselected Tories (assuming they don't shite it) club together as 'Independent Conservatives' or something similar for the election and run against Tory candidates. A fair number of them have very strong personal votes and would likely either challenge for the seat in their own right or deliver the seat to someone else. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Call Johnson's bluff now and hold a VOC. There's still time (just) to have an election result before October 31st. Can't see any of these legal or procedural manoeuvres working even if the opposition could agree on anything. Hopefully the Brexit Party would run and split the Tory vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Call Johnson's bluff now and hold a VOC. There's still time (just) to have an election result before October 31st. Can't see any of these legal or procedural manoeuvres working even if the opposition could agree on anything. Hopefully the Brexit Party would run and split the Tory vote. The opposition just need to get into a room and agree on a caretaker, doesn't matter who it is, they just need to be doing the procedural stuff and taking control of the GE timing. They can do a raffle for all it matters (which would provide absolute scenes if someone like Blackford won it). The worst thing would be if they fucked up and did the VONC and then didn't follow it with the VOC so it left Boris in control of timings. It really needs to be done this week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 @Ad Lib 's on the case here. Time is very short. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/parliament-and-elections/elections-elections/when-might-an-early-general-election-take-place/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 17 minutes ago, harry94 said: The opposition just need to get into a room and agree on a caretaker, doesn't matter who it is, they just need to be doing the procedural stuff and taking control of the GE timing. They can do a raffle for all it matters (which would provide absolute scenes if someone like Blackford won it). The worst thing would be if they fucked up and did the VONC and then didn't follow it with the VOC so it left Boris in control of timings. It really needs to be done this week. I’ve mentioned this before, but Corbyn should say right I’ll be PM, Blackford and Swinson will be deputy PMs and there will be a cross party cabinet and government for the x weeks before the election. That could even include Tories. That would be hard for Swinson to argue with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 13 minutes ago, welshbairn said: @Ad Lib 's on the case here. Time is very short. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/parliament-and-elections/elections-elections/when-might-an-early-general-election-take-place/ The two weeks after the initial VONC aren't necessary if the process is planned. Boris can't be the one to call the election as he can just delay the date to beyond 31st October. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 12 minutes ago, harry94 said: The two weeks after the initial VONC aren't necessary if the process is planned. Boris can't be the one to call the election as he can just delay the date to beyond 31st October. I’m assuming from that if the government lose a confidence vote then prorogation falls? FWIW I don’t see a confidence motion being something the opposition parties will agree on even though it would stop Johnson in his tracks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 If there is a General Election it looks like all the opposition parties would have a second referendum central to their manifestos, with Corbyn restating that today. Will they be prepared to have an electoral pact though? That could be crucial. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 33 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I’m assuming from that if the government lose a confidence vote then prorogation falls? FWIW I don’t see a confidence motion being something the opposition parties will agree on even though it would stop Johnson in his tracks. No idea about that tbh, tried to look it up but not found an answer anywhere. As far as I understand, parliament will prorogue next week, obviously the two week timer under the fixed term parliament act would hit that time frame so don't really know what would happen if the confidence vote was triggered but not resolved before then in a vote of confidence for another government. Interesting question though @Ad Lib? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Decent summary of what's going on here. https://www.itv.com/news/2019-09-01/an-election-is-coming-and-soon-writes-robert-peston/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 There's a golden opportunity here for the SNP. There's a GE coming, and there would have to be a bizarre turn events for them not to considerably increase the number of seats they'll win. The question is, are they brave enough to clearly state that a vote for the SNP is a mandate for a 2nd independence referendum ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: There's a golden opportunity here for the SNP. There's a GE coming, and there would have to be a bizarre turn events for them not to considerably increase the number of seats they'll win. The question is, are they brave enough to clearly state that a vote for the SNP is a mandate for a 2nd independence referendum ? They have to I think. They need their core support to turn up and then also won't likely be winning many votes by shying away from it anyway, the cat is already out of the bag. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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