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Think it's past the point now where western societies are likely to be able/willing to take the measures needed to prevent it becoming a pandemic in the way that happened in China outside Hubei province. It really needed to be contained more quickly in Wuhan before it left China to the extent it eventually did.
Unfortunately Scotland is going to take longer to get up to the sort of temperatures that normally end the cold and flu season than a lot of other affected countries, so the next couple of months could be interesting in a 1918 Spanish flu sort of way.
I read that the temperature rise isn't going to make a difference here because its flourishing in some pretty hot conditions at the moment. It's different to your regular flu in that respect.
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11 minutes ago, pandarilla said:

I read that the temperature rise isn't going to make a difference here because its flourishing in some pretty hot conditions at the moment. It's different to your regular flu in that respect.

Suspect some people don't understand that Iran and northern Italy get quite cold in the winter. The lack of an epidemic so far in countries like India, Vietnam, the Phillipines, Thailand and Indonesia is a good sign it will behave like other coronaviruses in that regard.

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9 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Suspect some people don't understand that Iran and northern Italy get quite cold in the winter. The lack of an epidemic so far in countries like India, Vietnam, the Phillipines, Thailand and Indonesia is a good sign it will behave like other coronaviruses in that regard.

Yes, looks like it doesn't survive well in hot climates. Unfortunately a Scottish summer isn't much warmer than North Italy now.

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I was in Poundland in Inverness earlier and all they had left soap-wise was bars.  Home Bargains were down to about three left and Tesco and Holland and Barrett are totally out of hand sanitizer.

Also heard yesterday that the Drumossie Hotel have had one of their tours full of Chinese tourists cancelled.  They'll be sick about that.

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Yes, looks like it doesn't survive well in hot climates. Unfortunately a Scottish summer isn't much warmer than North Italy now.
Nonsense. The average annual temperature in Venice is 13 degrees, in Inverness it's 12.5. It rains more in Veneto as well. Italian weather is shite. We're still months away from taps aff here.
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33 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said:
7 hours ago, bendan said:
Yes, looks like it doesn't survive well in hot climates. Unfortunately a Scottish summer isn't much warmer than North Italy now.

Nonsense. The average annual temperature in Venice is 13 degrees, in Inverness it's 12.5. It rains more in Veneto as well. Italian weather is shite. We're still months away from taps aff here.

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not even close
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1 hour ago, DiegoDiego said:
7 hours ago, bendan said:
Yes, looks like it doesn't survive well in hot climates. Unfortunately a Scottish summer isn't much warmer than North Italy now.

Nonsense. The average annual temperature in Venice is 13 degrees, in Inverness it's 12.5. It rains more in Veneto as well. Italian weather is shite. We're still months away from taps aff here.

Northern Italian weather may indeed be shite but the daily highs in Milan this week will be between 12 and 17 degrees. That's not far off a typical summer in Scotland. I admit that nightime temperatures would be better than Italy now, but as a general point I don't think it's nonsense. And as SlipperyP has pointed out, your stats are wrong. I think you're comparing the average temperature in Venice with the average daytime temperature in Inverness.

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52 minutes ago, bendan said:

Northern Italian weather may indeed be shite but the daily highs in Milan this week will be between 12 and 17 degrees. That's not far off a typical summer in Scotland. I admit that nightime temperatures would be better than Italy now, but as a general point I don't think it's nonsense. And as SlipperyP has pointed out, your stats are wrong. I think you're comparing the average temperature in Venice with the average daytime temperature in Inverness.

Seasonal viruses aren't just about temperature. We just have to hope that this particular one is seasonal.

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 its name, “influenza” may be a reference to its original Italian name, influenza di freddo, meaning “influence of the cold” (4).

A common misconception is that the flu is caused by cold temperatures. However, the influenza virus is necessary to have the flu, so cold temperatures can only be a contributing factor. In fact, some people have argued that it is not cold temperatures that make the flu more common in the winter. Rather, they attest that the lack of sunlight or the different lifestyles people lead in winter months are the primary contributing factors. Here are the most popular theories about why the flu strikes in winter:

1) During the winter, people spend more time indoors with the windows sealed, so they are more likely to breathe the same air as someone who has the flu and thus contract the virus (3).

2) Days are shorter during the winter, and lack of sunlight leads to  low levels of vitamin D and melatonin, both of which require sunlight for their generation. This compromises our immune systems, which in turn decreases ability to fight the virus (3).

3) The influenza virus may survive better in colder, drier climates, and therefore be able to infect more people (3).

http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2014/the-reason-for-the-season-why-flu-strikes-in-winter/

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13 hours ago, AL-FFC said:

see there was some scientist that said he made a cure for it 3 years ago but couldnt get the funding (sorry if this has been posted before first time i have looked at the thread).

Just looking at some stats and when you consider Dec17 - Mar 18  there were 23,137 deaths with the flu  so i can understand that corona virus is highly contageous but i think in the grand scheme of things theres a shit load of scare mongering by the media on this unfortunately its the older generation that become the main casualties of the flu.

 

Comparisons with the flu are pointless. Seen so many people on social media compare it. Flu has obviously killed more because it's been around longer and at the moment is more widespread. The key factors for future impact are how contagious it is and the death rate of those infected - which appears to be 2 or 3 times that of flu. Therefore if/when coronavirus 'catches up' in terms of its distribution it appears it will be far more deadly, plus there is no vaccine or base level of immunity that many people already have with the flu.

Plus, regardless of 'which is worse', another virus that could potentially kill thousands and make thousands more require hospital treatment in a short space of time will continue to cripple our health care system. Obviously the media thrive on fear and panic which is annoying, and all the people stock piling food etc are morons, but that doesn't mean that the virus isn't a serious problem if it is not dealt with properly. And that's not even considering the significant economic impact this is going to have.

 

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