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4 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Priti Patel will explain, she seemed to have it all in hand a couple of weeks ago.

In the meantime. Temporary work is available in rural areas with near full employment. Even under Universal Credit rules you wouldn't be expected to commute from Glasgow to Auchternaewhere daily, or be forced to move.

The brexit loving farmers have belatedly realised that the berries won't pick them fucking selves.

There was some Angus bumpkin on the news yesterday complaining about that wummin Sturgeon’s lockdown for ruining their vital, erm, daffodil crop. Truly someone with a finger on the pulse of the country’s priorities.

2 hours ago, ayrmad said:

I've been told that the QE in Glasgow is full of middle aged men struggling, not exactly the auld yins and folk at deaths door already. 

91% of deaths according to the ONS figures yesterday involved people who had one or more underlying health condition and IIRC nearly one quarter of deaths were in the 80-85 age category alone.  The death rate from heart disease and other chronic illnesses has also slumped accordingly. 

Fit and healthy people are highly unlikely to be affected badly -unless of course they’re having to cut masks from bin bags to use in a hospital or care setting due to this incompetent government.

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29 minutes ago, dorlomin said:

The level of emotional repression on this forum is weird. 

Any public displays of empathy, warmth or fear are jumped on with sneering, mocking, contempt and aggressive hostility. 

I know Scottish people have a reputation like many north west Europeans for being stoic or outright emotionally retrograde, but its on another level here given its the 2020s. For example any time a celebrity or famous person dies the forum is chock full of people mocking people expressing public grief, belittling it and going on about Diana syndrome. There is zero tolerance for any expressing of grief  beyond immediate family members. 

Then there is the inevitable mocking and sneering when there is a public tragedy or terrorist outrage. Again any signs of showing solidarity with the victims is attacked, the threads fill up with mocking "I went to empty the bins it could have been me" type posts. Normal humans (i.e. not you lot) will express their anxieties to each other at something as random as a bus crash to fatal terrorist attack; this will include expressing worries that it could have been them or their feelings of empathy with the victims. The emotional cripples here seem to live with the terror someone will expect them to reciprocate and emotionally bond with them. I guess its in part your insecure masculinity. 

Charity events: someone random gets in the news raising money. Its like they are digging up your grandmothers graves! As soon as there is a public outpouring of emotions for someone doing something the bullies are out and trying too belittle anyone support it is, well its a very sad window into your broken souls. (See the old boy whos walk raised money)

And now the clap for carers. Again any display of public emotion and you all explode into belittle, sneering, bullying and hate. 

Which brings me to the only emotions you ever allow yourselves to express, hate, anger, desire for violence, vengeance. Where you do express something resembling sympathy for someone, its usually simply as a pretext for anger and hate. So for example you will say something about the homeless then use that as a jump off point for how much you want to hurt\murder or just hate tories\Scottish Labour\English "gammons" or what ever. 

As a group hurtling towards your 50s at a fair rate of knots, you are for the most part, emotionally still about 13 years old. 

:rolleyes:

 

 

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15 minutes ago, dorlomin said:

The level of emotional repression on this forum is weird. 

...other stuff....

Which brings me to the only emotions you ever allow yourselves to express, hate, anger, desire for violence, vengeance. Where you do express something resembling sympathy for someone, its usually simply as a pretext for anger and hate. So for example you will say something about the homeless then use that as a jump off point for how much you want to hurt\murder or just hate tories\Scottish Labour\English "gammons" or what ever. 

As a group hurtling towards your 50s at a fair rate of knots, you are for the most part, emotionally still about 13 years old. 

:rolleyes:

P&B is a counterpoint to the MSM portrayal of the world, where EVERTHING is worthy, positive, happy-clappy and ne'er a bad word can be said about a single thing

as long as you have the common sense to realise that the actuality is somewhere in the middle ground between the two extremes, there's absolutely no harm in experiencing  both with the additional perspective that taking on board the other side of the 'argument' can give you...

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1 minute ago, virginton said:

There was some Angus bumpkin on the news yesterday complaining about that wummin Sturgeon’s lockdown for ruining their vital, erm, daffodil crop. Truly someone with a finger on the pulse of the country’s priorities.

91% of deaths according to the ONS figures yesterday involved people who had one or more underlying health condition and IIRC nearly one quarter of deaths were in the 80-85 age category alone.  The death rate from heart disease and other chronic illnesses has also slumped accordingly. 

Fit and healthy people are highly unlikely to be affected badly -unless of course they’re having to cut masks from bin bags to use in a hospital or care setting due to this incompetent government.

I don't know where you get the 'unlikely to be badly affected' from, previously healthy people losing 3 or 4 stone in as many weeks is badly affected in my book, having an underlying condition doesn't mean you're going to pop your clogs in the next few months, if it did we'd hardly notice it on graphs when this 1st phase is over. 

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6 minutes ago, ayrmad said:

I don't know where you get the 'unlikely to be badly affected' from, previously healthy people losing 3 or 4 stone in as many weeks is badly affected in my book, 

But do we know what proportion of people lose '3 or 4 stone in as many weeks'? I think the point is that it seems unlikely that will happen to most previously healthy people. The vast majority of people who are getting this are not tested and do not go to hospital.

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48 minutes ago, dorlomin said:

The level of emotional repression on this forum is weird. 

Any public displays of empathy, warmth or fear are jumped on with sneering, mocking, contempt and aggressive hostility. 

I know Scottish people have a reputation like many north west Europeans for being stoic or outright emotionally retrograde, but its on another level here given its the 2020s. For example any time a celebrity or famous person dies the forum is chock full of people mocking people expressing public grief, belittling it and going on about Diana syndrome. There is zero tolerance for any expressing of grief  beyond immediate family members. 

Then there is the inevitable mocking and sneering when there is a public tragedy or terrorist outrage. Again any signs of showing solidarity with the victims is attacked, the threads fill up with mocking "I went to empty the bins it could have been me" type posts. Normal humans (i.e. not you lot) will express their anxieties to each other at something as random as a bus crash to fatal terrorist attack; this will include expressing worries that it could have been them or their feelings of empathy with the victims. The emotional cripples here seem to live with the terror someone will expect them to reciprocate and emotionally bond with them. I guess its in part your insecure masculinity. 

Charity events: someone random gets in the news raising money. Its like they are digging up your grandmothers graves! As soon as there is a public outpouring of emotions for someone doing something the bullies are out and trying too belittle anyone support it is, well its a very sad window into your broken souls. (See the old boy whos walk raised money)

And now the clap for carers. Again any display of public emotion and you all explode into belittle, sneering, bullying and hate. 

Which brings me to the only emotions you ever allow yourselves to express, hate, anger, desire for violence, vengeance. Where you do express something resembling sympathy for someone, its usually simply as a pretext for anger and hate. So for example you will say something about the homeless then use that as a jump off point for how much you want to hurt\murder or just hate tories\Scottish Labour\English "gammons" or what ever. 

As a group hurtling towards your 50s at a fair rate of knots, you are for the most part, emotionally still about 13 years old. 

:rolleyes:

 

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I'd argue that faux grieving for a dead celebrity shows the  emotional maturity of a 13 year old far more than some dark humour over it.
Likewise the 'could have been me' stuff. That's just attention seeking nonsense.
Don't see what's wrong with empathy for victims though, and has there really been sneering at that? 
I believe with things like Clap for Carers it started with good intentions but we can see how easily that can be hijacked. I think that's more a reflection of our shit society than any sort of repressed emotion. Not questioning things is, again, more like a 13 year old than blindly accepting things. In an ideal world we'd accept these things in good spirit, but we don't live in such a world here, and the deep cynicism has been well earned.
I also reckon loads of folk on here play a character that isn't really representative of who they really are, at least not when it comes to certain issues. Also, as this is a public forum, some folk might not be comfortable with expressing themselves too much on here. It is supposed to be a bit a fun.
Also, take a look at the depression thread. Plenty of folk opening up there.


I think as time goes by, the more we should realise that nobody knows anything. Pie and Bovril is a release, and a time waster, and most of all an opportunity to talk bollocks about things most of us know anything about. The problem is that a handful of posters actually think their views amount to expertise, and take things far too seriously.

But that’s just a handful of folk and funnily enough their views get treated the least seriously, which makes it all the better as they don’t seem to realise it.

A while back there was a thread in which posters were able to list their genuine areas of expertise. Unfortunately it didn’t take off as too many folk assumed expertise in multiple fields and it just became a lesson in bluster. I still think over time there’s somebody on here who can assist with most reasonable issues, and quite a few specialist areas too. It boils down to whether we realise we don’t know anything about pandemic prevention or whether we pretend to have all the answers.
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52 minutes ago, dorlomin said:

The level of emotional repression on this forum is weird. 

Any public displays of empathy, warmth or fear are jumped on with sneering, mocking, contempt and aggressive hostility. 

I know Scottish people have a reputation like many north west Europeans for being stoic or outright emotionally retrograde, but its on another level here given its the 2020s. For example any time a celebrity or famous person dies the forum is chock full of people mocking people expressing public grief, belittling it and going on about Diana syndrome. There is zero tolerance for any expressing of grief  beyond immediate family members. 

Then there is the inevitable mocking and sneering when there is a public tragedy or terrorist outrage. Again any signs of showing solidarity with the victims is attacked, the threads fill up with mocking "I went to empty the bins it could have been me" type posts. Normal humans (i.e. not you lot) will express their anxieties to each other at something as random as a bus crash to fatal terrorist attack; this will include expressing worries that it could have been them or their feelings of empathy with the victims. The emotional cripples here seem to live with the terror someone will expect them to reciprocate and emotionally bond with them. I guess its in part your insecure masculinity. 

Charity events: someone random gets in the news raising money. Its like they are digging up your grandmothers graves! As soon as there is a public outpouring of emotions for someone doing something the bullies are out and trying too belittle anyone support it is, well its a very sad window into your broken souls. (See the old boy whos walk raised money)

And now the clap for carers. Again any display of public emotion and you all explode into belittle, sneering, bullying and hate. 

Which brings me to the only emotions you ever allow yourselves to express, hate, anger, desire for violence, vengeance. Where you do express something resembling sympathy for someone, its usually simply as a pretext for anger and hate. So for example you will say something about the homeless then use that as a jump off point for how much you want to hurt\murder or just hate tories\Scottish Labour\English "gammons" or what ever. 

As a group hurtling towards your 50s at a fair rate of knots, you are for the most part, emotionally still about 13 years old. 

:rolleyes:

 

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Just now, bendan said:

But do we know what proportion of people lose '3 or 4 stone in as many weeks'? I think the point is that it seems unlikely that will happen to most previously healthy people. The vast majority of people who are getting this are not tested and do not go to hospital.

It's a numbers game, there will be a large % of those who are elderly, have underlying health issues etc that get a mild dose as well, 9% of 30/40k will still be a big number before we even look at those with underling health issues that were unlikely to die over the next few years. 

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Better out than in mate. Hope you feel better after getting it all out.

The level of emotional repression on this forum is weird. 
Any public displays of empathy, warmth or fear are jumped on with sneering, mocking, contempt and aggressive hostility. 
I know Scottish people have a reputation like many north west Europeans for being stoic or outright emotionally retrograde, but its on another level here given its the 2020s. For example any time a celebrity or famous person dies the forum is chock full of people mocking people expressing public grief, belittling it and going on about Diana syndrome. There is zero tolerance for any expressing of grief  beyond immediate family members. 
Then there is the inevitable mocking and sneering when there is a public tragedy or terrorist outrage. Again any signs of showing solidarity with the victims is attacked, the threads fill up with mocking "I went to empty the bins it could have been me" type posts. Normal humans (i.e. not you lot) will express their anxieties to each other at something as random as a bus crash to fatal terrorist attack; this will include expressing worries that it could have been them or their feelings of empathy with the victims. The emotional cripples here seem to live with the terror someone will expect them to reciprocate and emotionally bond with them. I guess its in part your insecure masculinity. 
Charity events: someone random gets in the news raising money. Its like they are digging up your grandmothers graves! As soon as there is a public outpouring of emotions for someone doing something the bullies are out and trying too belittle anyone support it is, well its a very sad window into your broken souls. (See the old boy whos walk raised money)
And now the clap for carers. Again any display of public emotion and you all explode into belittle, sneering, bullying and hate. 
Which brings me to the only emotions you ever allow yourselves to express, hate, anger, desire for violence, vengeance. Where you do express something resembling sympathy for someone, its usually simply as a pretext for anger and hate. So for example you will say something about the homeless then use that as a jump off point for how much you want to hurt\murder or just hate tories\Scottish Labour\English "gammons" or what ever. 
As a group hurtling towards your 50s at a fair rate of knots, you are for the most part, emotionally still about 13 years old. 
:rolleyes:
 
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7 minutes ago, ayrmad said:

It's a numbers game, there will be a large % of those who are elderly, have underlying health issues etc that get a mild dose as well, 9% of 30/40k will still be a big number before we even look at those with underling health issues that were unlikely to die over the next few years. 

Yes, 9% of 40k is still a big number, but in terms of the overall healthy population under the age of 50 or 60, it wouldn't represent a big risk, or a risk greater than many other illnesses pose to that group.

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1 hour ago, dorlomin said:

The level of emotional repression on this forum is weird. 

Any public displays of empathy, warmth or fear are jumped on with sneering, mocking, contempt and aggressive hostility. 

I know Scottish people have a reputation like many north west Europeans for being stoic or outright emotionally retrograde, but its on another level here given its the 2020s. For example any time a celebrity or famous person dies the forum is chock full of people mocking people expressing public grief, belittling it and going on about Diana syndrome. There is zero tolerance for any expressing of grief  beyond immediate family members. 

Then there is the inevitable mocking and sneering when there is a public tragedy or terrorist outrage. Again any signs of showing solidarity with the victims is attacked, the threads fill up with mocking "I went to empty the bins it could have been me" type posts. Normal humans (i.e. not you lot) will express their anxieties to each other at something as random as a bus crash to fatal terrorist attack; this will include expressing worries that it could have been them or their feelings of empathy with the victims. The emotional cripples here seem to live with the terror someone will expect them to reciprocate and emotionally bond with them. I guess its in part your insecure masculinity. 

Charity events: someone random gets in the news raising money. Its like they are digging up your grandmothers graves! As soon as there is a public outpouring of emotions for someone doing something the bullies are out and trying too belittle anyone support it is, well its a very sad window into your broken souls. (See the old boy whos walk raised money)

And now the clap for carers. Again any display of public emotion and you all explode into belittle, sneering, bullying and hate. 

Which brings me to the only emotions you ever allow yourselves to express, hate, anger, desire for violence, vengeance. Where you do express something resembling sympathy for someone, its usually simply as a pretext for anger and hate. So for example you will say something about the homeless then use that as a jump off point for how much you want to hurt\murder or just hate tories\Scottish Labour\English "gammons" or what ever. 

As a group hurtling towards your 50s at a fair rate of knots, you are for the most part, emotionally still about 13 years old. 

:rolleyes:

 

You're probably right, that's what happens when you've grown up in the Thatcher era with a sense of hopelessness coupled with anger and a deep routed hatred.

Speaking personally, there's no doubt I'm very cynical and have a chip on my shoulder, however it's not without good reason.

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11 minutes ago, bendan said:

Yes, 9% of 40k is still a big number, but in terms of the overall healthy population under the age of 50 or 60, it wouldn't represent a big risk, or a risk greater than many other illnesses pose to that group.

That's comparing apples and wheelbarrows though. 

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Just watching the commons health committee on the BBC news and I'm strangely more interested in the carefully chosen backdrop the MPs have chosen for their broadcast.

Matt Hancock has chosen a large picture of the Queen. #staunch

Jeremy (C)Hunt likesto show how intelligent and environmentally friendly he is. Lots of books in the background and a cycling helmet hanging up.

Amy Callaghan (SNP) is in her kitchen. Just a boring old clock in the background.

Some bloke I've never heard of has a nice picture ofJohn Lennon.

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