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[D.A.F.C]

You can't remove ineffective non-entities while you've got ~500 spots to fill at Westminster, Holyrood and council level. There's nowhere near that amount of competence in all the Scottish political parties put together and even the post-2014 surge took in far more whamees than it did legitimately fresh talent. It should be no surprise that a party that has dominated every level of politics for over a decade is in need of a refresh. It's why every party loses power eventually. 

Good point, with a few exceptions all the best political talent leaves scotland for Westminster.
I'm all for independence but the Scottish parliament has been a multi million pound coffee morning full of pretend mps

[Distant Doonhamer]

"Stay Safe" is a strange slogan

Aye try not to be a c**t would be a better one.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Aye try not to be a c**t would be a better one.

For this thread or for the Scottish Government?

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

You can't remove ineffective non-entities while you've got ~500 spots to fill at Westminster, Holyrood and council level. There's nowhere near that amount of competence in all the Scottish political parties put together and even the post-2014 surge took in far more whamees than it did legitimately fresh talent. It should be no surprise that a party that has dominated every level of politics for over a decade is in need of a refresh. It's why every party loses power eventually. 

But given the named folks positions within the party and apparent influence or support then them being in such prominent positions its something they have to address whilst in power or the whole debate gets set back decades.

[madwullie]

3 hours ago, bennett said:

Makes sense, similar with fitba crowds and folk shouting/singing.

 

 

Dont know if that's what she's referring to as I've not watched it, but definitely been a few relatively large outbreaks at church / choir practice where singing is mooted to be the main culprit. At least one in SK and a fair few in bible bashing country in the US

Sure I did also see a report that 1% of protestors at the seattle protests contracted it, and masks were very very widely worn there. 

[madwullie]

3 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Nah disagree with you now, they’ve made a c**t of this and we now need an alternative Indy Party not populated with moon howlers.

The indy party I saw that was set up recently made their first policy to be that trans women aren't women iirc. Finger on the pulse. 

[vikingTON]

14 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

But given the named folks positions within the party and apparent influence or support then them being in such prominent positions its something they have to address whilst in power or the whole debate gets set back decades.

Disagree, they'll be out of power for a few years, finally get the chance to refresh instead of treating reform as an attack on their track record and then whatever horrendous Yoon coalition will have imploded so badly that they'll waltz back in with an even more crushing majority than ever before.

 

[D.A.F.C]

As much as sturgeon has remained professional and came across well, behind the scenes they’ve done the same as the Tories.

Lack of PPE, lack of testing, lack of tracing, care home disaster, hypocritical staff and covering up the Nike conference outbreak.

It makes the case for independence stronger as we need more power. We are basically England’s plan two weeks behind.

[Gordon EF]

1 minute ago, D.A.F.C said:

As much as sturgeon has remained professional and came across well, behind the scenes they’ve done the same as the Tories.

Lack of PPE, lack of testing, lack of tracing, care home disaster, hypocritical staff and covering up the Nike conference outbreak.

It makes the case for independence stronger as we need more power. We are basically England’s plan two weeks behind.

It's not a totally unreasonable point but I think you mean to say "containing the Nike conference outbreak".

[Gordon EF]

58 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:

Good point, with a few exceptions all the best political talent leaves scotland for Westminster.
I'm all for independence but the Scottish parliament has been a multi million pound coffee morning full of pretend mps

Can you give a list of all the current Scottish WM MPs you consider talented?

[D.A.F.C]

It would be easier to list the talent in the Scottish parliament.

Nicola Sturgeon.

Any decent Scottish politician has been in Westminster and the only decent ones that stayed up here did so because they were so far ahead of the others and would have an easy time of it. I’m not anti anything, just calling it as I see it.

[Distant Doonhamer]

For this thread or for the Scottish Government?

Really just as a way for folk to live their lives.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

The indy party I saw that was set up recently made their first policy to be that trans women aren't women iirc. Finger on the pulse. 

Yes they are populated by the moon howlers I mentioned in the post you quoted.

[Gordon EF]

2 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:

It would be easier to list the talent in the Scottish parliament.

Nicola Sturgeon.

Any decent Scottish politician has been in Westminster and the only decent ones that stayed up here did so because they were so far ahead of the others and would have an easy time of it. I’m not anti anything, just calling it as I see it.

I'm just interested in how many you genuinely see as talented.

That trope was from the days when Labour dominated and most of the MPs preceded the Scottish Parliament. It's only really since 2015 that the SNP have sent large numbers down to Westminster and I'm not really aware of many who transferred to WM so I'm not sure how you could see talent 'choosing' WM over Holyrood since most Scottish MPs weren't MPs 5 years ago.

[D.A.F.C]

It’s pointless arguing with snp supporters. SNP good, Scotland good, England bad. Bam bam bam

[Todd_is_God]

31 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:

As much as sturgeon has remained professional and came across well, behind the scenes they’ve done the same as the Tories.

Lack of PPE, lack of testing, lack of tracing, care home disaster, hypocritical staff and covering up the Nike conference outbreak.

It makes the case for independence stronger as we need more power. We are basically England’s plan two weeks behind.

It would certainly be useful to know what decisions could have been made differently, and what "science" was available and convinced them to not do so.

Given what NI is doing, it is clear that devolved governments do have a certain degree of power over certain matters. The SG are choosing not to make use of these, which, rightly or wrongly, is a choice they have made.

RE: Being two weeks behind. That is a definite SG choice.

Edited June 19, 2020 by Todd_is_God

[NotThePars]

11 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:

It’s pointless arguing with snp supporters. SNP good, Scotland good, England bad. Bam bam bam

All you got asked was to name some of the talent that goes down south lol which you didn't do

[peasy23]

Phase 2...

[D.A.F.C]

It would certainly be useful to know what decisions could have been made differently, and what "science" was available and convinced them to not do so.
Given what NI is doing, it is clear that devolved governments do have a certain degree of power over certain matters. The SG are choosing not to make use of these, which, rightly or wrongly, is a choice they have made.
RE: Being two weeks behind. That is a definite SG choice.

Greece controlled it simply by locking down two weeks earlier. 4000 deaths could have been 400 had we done so.
Its inexcusable and the snp have to answer why and not hide behind whatabootery and pseudo science that suited the economy not humans.
Greece was in financial ruin was it not?
Let's compare other countries when it's all over. Aye ok, great argument.
They killed 3500 people for the economy and made the economy worse than a quicker lockdown would have done.
A complete and utter failure of leadership.

[Jacksgranda]

1 hour ago, madwullie said:

The indy party I saw that was set up recently made their first policy to be that trans women aren't women iirc. Finger on the pulse. 

Maybe fingers on other parts of the anatomy, too.