ICTChris Posted August 1, 2020 Author Share Posted August 1, 2020 Some figures on local infection rates in England 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, sparky88 said: Really not sure why schools weren't brought back first (which they have done in a few countries). Without schools going back , some people can't go back to work, children miss out on education etc. People can't go back to work because everyone is losing their mind about a minute amount of people testing positive for a virus which, in all likelihood, will do them little to no harm. The ridiculous death reporting is driving fear among the public as they genuinely believe 100s are still dying from it every day. I don't understand why the continuing decline in hospital admissions, people in ICU and deaths is being ignored, and focus instead being placed on cases likely only identified through contact tracing. These cases would have been present back in March etc too, we just didn't look for them. There is seemingly a complete refusal from governments to even entertain exploring the notion that it might be pretty much over as a health crisis. It's not a seasonal flu, so why are all the predictive models of waves etc treating it as though it is? The first SARS outbreak lasted about 8 months in total, given that this is related to SARS, I don't understand the complete resistance to the idea this might also stop being a problem in a similar timeframe. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 22 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Some figures on local infection rates in England Those graphs really do not support the need for localised restrictions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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VladimirMooc Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Todd_is_God said: People can't go back to work because everyone is losing their mind about a minute amount of people testing positive for a virus which, in all likelihood, will do them little to no harm. The ridiculous death reporting is driving fear among the public as they genuinely believe 100s are still dying from it every day. I don't understand why the continuing decline in hospital admissions, people in ICU and deaths is being ignored, and focus instead being placed on cases likely only identified through contact tracing. These cases would have been present back in March etc too, we just didn't look for them. There is seemingly a complete refusal from governments to even entertain exploring the notion that it might be pretty much over as a health crisis. It's not a seasonal flu, so why are all the predictive models of waves etc treating it as though it is? The first SARS outbreak lasted about 8 months in total, given that this is related to SARS, I don't understand the complete resistance to the idea this might also stop being a problem in a similar timeframe. “I don’t understand” is definitely the key phrase in this entire post IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, VladimirMooc said: “I don’t understand” is definitely the key phrase in this entire post IMO. I understand perfectly. In the not too distant future, students will be learning about how countries all over the world hit the self destruct button, by shutting down their economies over a virus that wasn't anywhere near as deadly as they thought, and then compounded their error by stifling their recovery by maintaining restrictions long after the "health crisis" period was over, and the real health crisis that was created as a result. Edited August 1, 2020 by Todd_is_God 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 Russia planning on mass vaccination in October. (Sure I read that earlier) Of course, because it's Russia the narrative in the media is they're doing it too early. That may of course be the case, but in any event it gives encouragement on the vaccine front for us all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 8 minutes ago, Steven W said: Russia planning on mass vaccination in October. (Sure I read that earlier) Of course, because it's Russia the narrative in the media is they're doing it too early. That may of course be the case, but in any event it gives encouragement on the vaccine front for us all. They completed human trials the other week. Mass production and administration will be the tricky bit. Hopefully they get it sorted and we can learn from how they do it - I imagine we will get a load of squadies injecting the public when we get our vaccine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 11 minutes ago, Steven W said: Russia planning on mass vaccination in October. (Sure I read that earlier) Of course, because it's Russia the narrative in the media is they're doing it too early. That may of course be the case, but in any event it gives encouragement on the vaccine front for us all. This is good news, but the success of this should be observed with the caveat that cases (and deaths) there are already in decline 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Steven W said: A quick Google search of "Covid vaccine" this morning, and things looking fairly positive on that front e.g. Fauci cautiously optimistic of one in place in the USA by the end of the year, among other similar timeframe stories. In an unusual piece of UK government planning, we've already bought millions of doses of the Oxford university one, but I wonder if how it'll be administered has been given any thought. Also the administering of it presumably will be a devolved matter? I imagine they would start with the oldest people and work down from there. But I wonder how long it would take to get through the whole population? I have zero knowledge of this, but in Scotland's case, I'd think a couple of months to get through us all? Who knows. As I’ve said previously I’m far from being an anti vaxxer but I won’t be taking this. I don’t get the flu jag as im not in the at risk category and it’s the same for covid edited to say (before someone else does) “but you could kill an oldie if you catch covid”. I could also kill an elderly person with the flu but I’m not a leper because I don’t get that jag Edited August 1, 2020 by Thereisalight.. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Joe Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 27 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said: Who knows. As I’ve said previously I’m far from being an anti vaxxer but I won’t be taking this. I don’t get the flu jag as im not in the at risk category and it’s the same for covid edited to say (before someone else does) “but you could kill an oldie if you catch covid”. I could also kill an elderly person with the flu but I’m not a leper because I don’t get that jag Do you weigh up all decisions you make in life about how they benefit you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Angusfifer said: Do you weigh up all decisions you make in life about how they benefit you? Doesn’t everyone to a certain extent? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 31 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said: Who knows. As I’ve said previously I’m far from being an anti vaxxer but I won’t be taking this. I don’t get the flu jag as im not in the at risk category and it’s the same for covid edited to say (before someone else does) “but you could kill an oldie if you catch covid”. I could also kill an elderly person with the flu but I’m not a leper because I don’t get that jag You wouldn't be able to get the flu jag. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 People can't go back to work because everyone is losing their mind about a minute amount of people testing positive for a virus which, in all likelihood, will do them little to no harm. The ridiculous death reporting is driving fear among the public as they genuinely believe 100s are still dying from it every day. I don't understand why the continuing decline in hospital admissions, people in ICU and deaths is being ignored, and focus instead being placed on cases likely only identified through contact tracing. These cases would have been present back in March etc too, we just didn't look for them. There is seemingly a complete refusal from governments to even entertain exploring the notion that it might be pretty much over as a health crisis. It's not a seasonal flu, so why are all the predictive models of waves etc treating it as though it is? The first SARS outbreak lasted about 8 months in total, given that this is related to SARS, I don't understand the complete resistance to the idea this might also stop being a problem in a similar timeframe.Why do you think any government would be treating this virus with such massive caution given the obvious consequences if, like you state, it's virtually harmless. There has to be a reason why all these medical experts and politicians are so wrong. What do you think that explanation is, why would any government wreck society as we knew it for no good reason ??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, madwullie said: You wouldn't be able to get the flu jag. I stated that 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted August 1, 2020 Author Share Posted August 1, 2020 A quarantined woman with no symptoms infected 71 people in a lift that she spent 60 seconds in https://inews.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-china-woman-spread-infection-lift-cdc-study-536107?__twitter_impression=true 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 minute ago, ICTChris said: A quarantined woman with no symptoms infected 71 people in a lift that she spent 60 seconds in https://inews.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-china-woman-spread-infection-lift-cdc-study-536107?__twitter_impression=true Must have been some size of lift. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, sparky88 said: Really not sure why schools weren't brought back first (which they have done in a few countries). Without schools going back , some people can't go back to work, children miss out on education etc. Schools should go back last on the scientific basis that they're obvious, massive breeding grounds for any airborne/droplet/contact-spread virus. If the SG was fully committed to getting as close to zero Covid as possible (hence all the additional restrictions on daily life since the middle of May) then they would accept this fact. But instead they bottled it under fear of snippy parents and so it's back to useless halfway house measures we go. Children can catch up on lost education by their teachers providing additional lessons when there is either a viable treatment in place or it has been fully eliminated within the community. Teachers as well as all the support staff needed to run a school shouldn't be shunted into a patently unsafe working environment right now just to provide a state childcare service for working parents. Edited August 1, 2020 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted August 1, 2020 Author Share Posted August 1, 2020 French study on primary school children and the virushttps://www.pasteur.fr/en/press-area/press-documents/covid-19-primary-schools-no-significant-transmission-among-children-students-teachers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, ICTChris said: French study on primary school children and the virus https://www.pasteur.fr/en/press-area/press-documents/covid-19-primary-schools-no-significant-transmission-among-children-students-teachers It must be a sheer coincidence then that France's daily infection rate is now roughly four times higher than neighbouring Italy, after the former charged ahead with reopening schools early and the latter held off until September. Not to mention the countries in eastern and central Europe that closed public schools within days of community transmission being established and somehow emerged from the spring outbreak with ten times' fewer cases than 'business as usual' clown-car outfits like the UK. If social distancing and good hygiene are the supposedly essential society-level behaviour to combatting a disease then you don't chuck 20-odd five year olds in the same room for 30 hours per week because neither of those things are going to happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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