Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Billy Jean King]

Mr Leitch added: “We said we want to vaccinate the particularly at risk group by the summer if we get vaccine supply which depends on manufacturing and regulation.
The other thing I need from people is patience, it's going to take a bit longer yet.

That was most definitely not the timescales the Govt were working towards. The "million by end January" would cover the groups Leitch is now saying will take until the summer. Either there is an imminent disaster with the Oxford vaccine or he's talking out his arse.

[Bairnardo]

Mr Leitch added: “We said we want to vaccinate the particularly at risk group by the summer if we get vaccine supply which depends on manufacturing and regulation.
The other thing I need from people is patience, it's going to take a bit longer yet.

That was most definitely not the timescales the Govt were working towards. The "million by end January" would cover the groups Leitch is now saying will take until the summer. Either there is an imminent disaster with the Oxford vaccine or he's talking out his arse.

Yep. Quite why these people are so blase about adding months on to this at the drop of a hat is beyond me.

[vikingTON]

15 minutes ago, Wee Bully said:

What exactly do you mean by “adult conversation”?

- No drip feeding of 'review in a fortnight' when announcing measures before making it apparent on day one of implementing them that they'll be keeping them for fucking months. Nothing has changed since last week so if they want to do that then say it at the time. 

- Set out the reasoning for specific restrictions/changes based on hard evidence and making it clear how much each sector contributes to infection. As opposed to parroting 'schools are safe' when in terms of stopping community infection, they absolutely are not.

- Actually use shielding instead of this pretend nonsense that if the whole of society hibernates then this will magically keep old fatties safe

- Stop moving the goalposts in terms of i) the number of vaccinations the SG will deliver and how many are needed before we can launch this shite into the sea.

 

[Paco]

Mr Leitch added: “We said we want to vaccinate the particularly at risk group by the summer if we get vaccine supply which depends on manufacturing and regulation.
The other thing I need from people is patience, it's going to take a bit longer yet.

That was most definitely not the timescales the Govt were working towards. The "million by end January" would cover the groups Leitch is now saying will take until the summer. Either there is an imminent disaster with the Oxford vaccine or he's talking out his arse.

The million by January was consigned to the bin very shortly after Freeman said it (if it was ever likely) by Pfizer failing to hit delivery targets. Scotland should’ve had a million doses by next week but instead will be at about 250,000 in the best case scenario.

The Oxford one should be coming very soon and numbers should really begin to climb after it does. Nothing over the last few weeks makes me anticipate a huge change to what summer 2021 was always going to look like, but the road to get there is going to be bumpier.

[welshbairn]

8 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

Mr Leitch added: “We said we want to vaccinate the particularly at risk group by the summer if we get vaccine supply which depends on manufacturing and regulation.
The other thing I need from people is patience, it's going to take a bit longer yet.

That was most definitely not the timescales the Govt were working towards. The "million by end January" would cover the groups Leitch is now saying will take until the summer. Either there is an imminent disaster with the Oxford vaccine or he's talking out his arse.

Pfizer and AZ are both way down on their promised production and delivery targets. Pfizer promised 10 million to the UK by the end of this month, I don't think they've reached one million yet. Last I heard AZ hadn't got a single batch ready for delivery produced in the UK.

[Bairnardo]

Pfizer and AZ are both way down on their promised production and delivery targets. Pfizer promised 10 million to the UK by the end of this month, I don't think they've reached one million yet. Last I heard AZ hadn't got a single batch ready for delivery produced in the UK.

So we have ran out of stock then and cannot resume vaccination until the next delivery?

[super_carson]

This is the issue with advisers like Leitch and Sridhar being able to get their face and voice on every media outlet going. They are supposed to be advisers, yet Leitch in particular seems to think he can issue decrees via his pals in the media. I know that sounds very cynical but I’m just at a loss as to why these media appearances are seemingly condoned by Sturgeon, especially when clear communication has been one of the strengths of her leadership.

We need to be demanding better from the government. It’s not enough to say we need to be patient while they keep moving the goal posts and keep us in an indefinite lockdown, especially when they are saying it’s a preventative measure up here (compared to the other home nations at least). As has been said by quite a few folk already, we are hardly being allowed to live our lives just now. I can see public opinion turning if these measure last as long as Leitch claims.

[welshbairn]

19 hours ago, Bairnardo said:

19 hours ago, welshbairn said:

Pfizer and AZ are both way down on their promised production and delivery targets. Pfizer promised 10 million to the UK by the end of this month, I don't think they've reached one million yet. Last I heard AZ hadn't got a single batch ready for delivery produced in the UK.

So we have ran out of stock then and cannot resume vaccination until the next delivery?

I've no idea. Do you have evidence they're being slow with the supplies they've got?

P.S. I see @Szamo's_Ammo has finally got the urgent WhatsApp message.

P.P.S. 

 

Edited December 27, 2020 by welshbairn

[Bairnardo]

This is the issue with advisers like Leitch and Sridhar being able to get their face and voice on every media outlet going. They are supposed to be advisers, yet Leitch in particular seems to think he can issue decrees via his pals in the media. I know that sounds very cynical but I’m just at a loss as to why these media appearances are seemingly condoned by Sturgeon, especially when clear communication has been one of the strengths of her leadership.

We need to be demanding better from the government. It’s not enough to say we need to be patient while they keep moving the goal posts and keep us in an indefinite lockdown, especially when they are saying it’s a preventative measure up here (compared to the other home nations at least). As has been said by quite a few folk already, we are hardly being allowed to live our lives just now. I can see public opinion turning if these measure last as long as Leitch claims.

They have been implemented in spite of case numbers not because of them, with the excuses of the xmas day relaxation and the new variant and the need to "wait and see". Personally I can just about swallow the 3 weeks. After that, if restrictions arent governed by case numbers then they can get in the fucking bin.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

This is the issue with advisers like Leitch and Sridhar being able to get their face and voice on every media outlet going. They are supposed to be advisers, yet Leitch in particular seems to think he can issue decrees via his pals in the media. I know that sounds very cynical but I’m just at a loss as to why these media appearances are seemingly condoned by Sturgeon, especially when clear communication has been one of the strengths of her leadership.

We need to be demanding better from the government. It’s not enough to say we need to be patient while they keep moving the goal posts and keep us in an indefinite lockdown, especially when they are saying it’s a preventative measure up here (compared to the other home nations at least). As has been said by quite a few folk already, we are hardly being allowed to live our lives just now. I can see public opinion turning if these measure last as long as Leitch claims.

Just like lockdown one showed us, if you keep it in place too long people just ignore it en masse .

[Bairnardo]

I've no idea. Do you have evidence they're being slow with the supplies they've got?

No. I never said they are "being slow" I said they could be going faster. This would be backed up by the facts that, they arent banging down the door for new supplies, they havent actually implemented any special measures for vaccine rollout, and the petty refusal of Nicola Sturgeon to answer a totally reasonable question from Leonard the other day about how she intended to speed up vaccination.

It's a logical impossibility to say they cant improve on the speed of the vaccine roll out anyway tbh, but I dont think you can honestly argue the point here that more can be done. And given how much so many people are paying whilst we wait, I think it's quite literally the most relevant point of contention there is. I am stunned at the attitude of "just sit tight folks, they will get the vaccine to us in due course"

[Todd_is_God]

6 minutes ago, super_carson said:

This is the issue with advisers like Leitch and Sridhar being able to get their face and voice on every media outlet going. They are supposed to be advisers, yet Leitch in particular seems to think he can issue decrees via his pals in the media. I know that sounds very cynical but I’m just at a loss as to why these media appearances are seemingly condoned by Sturgeon, especially when clear communication has been one of the strengths of her leadership.

We need to be demanding better from the government. It’s not enough to say we need to be patient while they keep moving the goal posts and keep us in an indefinite lockdown, especially when they are saying it’s a preventative measure up here (compared to the other home nations at least). As has been said by quite a few folk already, we are hardly being allowed to live our lives just now. I can see public opinion turning if these measure last as long as Leitch claims.

I would suggest it's quite clear now that that just isn't going to happen.

[super_carson]

They have been implemented in spite of case numbers not because of them, with the excuses of the xmas day relaxation and the new variant and the need to "wait and see". Personally I can just about swallow the 3 weeks. After that, if restrictions arent governed by case numbers then they can get in the fucking bin.

Whilst I don’t disagree with you, and I could similarly support 3 weeks of restrictions to get better understanding of the mutation, I’m deeply concerned by the fact that they are already talking about returning to an indefinite march style lockdown before we had even moved into tier 4. I can’t see them lifting these restrictions until March at the earliest, regardless of whether or not case numbers are low.

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25 minutes ago, virginton said:

Actually use shielding instead of this pretend nonsense that if the whole of society hibernates then this will magically keep old fatties safe

Unbelievable, why not look at the hundred of conditions that were in the shielding category rather than resort the the frankly offensive "old fatties" maybe instead of an adult conversation the Scottish population is getting the exact kind of conversation it deserves.

[Bairnardo]

Just now, super_carson said:

 

 

Whilst I don’t disagree with you, and I could similarly support 3 weeks of restrictions to get better understanding of the mutation, I’m deeply concerned by the fact that they are already talking about returning to an indefinite march style lockdown before we had even moved into tier 4. I can’t see them lifting these restrictions until March at the earliest, regardless of whether or not case numbers are low.

 

 

Oh aye. When I say I could swallow the 3 weeks, I absolutely.dont expect that to be the case. Hence the undertone of rage in my posts currently. 

 

[super_carson]

I would suggest it's quite clear now that that just isn't going to happen.

It’s purely anecdotal but I’d have said the reactions that I’ve seen have been largely negative. Not that translates into mainstream public opinion, of course, but I don’t think people are as willing this time round as we were in the spring. The moralising messages of save lives and protect the NHS do mean, however, people will shout you down and call you heartless if you dare to question to long term benefits of a lockdown.

[superbigal]

Public Health Scotland and the virus are all on holiday.
Covid dashboard is closed until 29th December.
They do not normally close at the weekend so assuming their holidays were Xmas and Boxing day I have absolutely no idea why figures are not available tomorrow. But no we must wait till Tuesday.

The most up to date vaccinated figure in Scotland is 56,676.

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, Bairnardo said:

This would be backed up by the facts that, they arent banging down the door for new supplies, they havent actually implemented any special measures for vaccine rollout

Facts you say? No idea how you know the first, and there have been plenty special measures going on with NHS Highland at least, especially with the temperature demands of the Pfizer version. Rolling out vaccines isn't exactly an unknown phenomenon, they do it every year. Until they have hundreds of thousands of doses arriving every day it would be a bit pointless having the military involved or whatever you mean by special measures.

[Ron Aldo]

It's confusing and infuriating in equal measure that despite them now having what they need to be able to deal with this virus we're still being hit with tougher restrictions and told to expect them for some time. I don't really care about production or availability of a vaccine - thats an issue for the government and the vaccine suppliers. The fact is a vaccine does now exist and so the government have no real excuse for not being able to deal with this as quickly as possible.

I've said it before and I'll keep saying but get the vulnerable vaccinated and let the rest of us get fucking on with it. Case numbers should be becoming less and less important, literally with each passing day. If thousands of people in Scotland get covid on a daily basis but none (or very little) of those people need hospital treatment then there is no need for restrictions which affect every aspect of life.

I can't see how 2021 can possibly be any worse than 2020 but those in power seem to have a weird determination to prove otherwise.

[Bairnardo]

It’s purely anecdotal but I’d have said the reactions that I’ve seen have been largely negative. Not that translates into mainstream public opinion, of course, but I don’t think people are as willing this time round as we were in the spring. The moralising messages of save lives and protect the NHS do mean, however, people will shout you down and call you heartless if you dare to question to long term benefits of a lockdown.

This is why I have been so vocal re the vaccine. This has gone from what looked like a passing wave of some SARS type thing that will die out, and which had no mitigiations, to an endemic, with us forever disease which is mild for the vast majority and now has 2, soon to be multiple vaccines. There is no right to be protected at the current cost from this disease in exactly the same way as there is no right to "at any cost" cancer treatment or for every single rare cause of death to be researched to the n'th degree to prevent it befalling the few folk it gets each year.

Scotgov are in danger of entering "hand wringing" territory and I full expect them to get there when they keep numerous restrictions in place even as they move down the list of vaccine priorities.